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    Does anyone else get a bit tongue tied when someone asks about what a hockey fan does during the off-season? Let’s get real here; I buy into XM’s description of the tides of hockey: pre-season, season, post-season and the off-season. In other words, even when nothing is going on the actual ice, the game and the passion I crave does not dissipate merely because the players and the game have the audacity to take a vacation…egad!

    Admittedly, this is my first off-season on letsgokings.com. Nonetheless, it sure feels like there must be some major withdrawals being experienced judging by the number of threads talking about the team moving. It is a staggering amount of angst to me when I have yet to see any actual evidence this is a legitimate concern.

    Anger over the lack of payroll next season? Check.
    Anxiety over the AHL quality and veterans set for defense? Check.
    Questions regarding the coaching carousel? Check.
    Concerns over the lack of an established NHL goaltender? Check.
    Issues regarding price increases? Check.

    Paranoia regarding the Kings’ moving? This is where my disconnect begins and ends. In fairness, if the team ever relocates, I would be more than happy to issue a public mea culpa should that day ever come. What I plain do not get is where this fear comes from now. Why now? Why not earlier? Here are my best guesses:

    AEG owned building in Kansas City with no anchor tenant

    I am waiting to see something to this other than the fact AEG owns another building. I watch other teams – that does not make me change my loyalties. Anschutz at one time owned near every team in the MLS league. AEG likes to own sports teams is not the same as AEG therefore moves the teams they own.

    Kings are losing money in Los Angeles

    This has been a fact forever. What makes this year different than any other when the Kings losing money is as sure a bet as that the sky is blue, money is green and the team has no NHL established goaltender?

    AEG is selling a minority ownership interest

    Surely, if AEG is selling any interest in the team coupled with the essential fire sale of any Kings with material salary dollars means the team is being ready for a sale. Right? I am happy to concede that this is a potential smoke screen for a sale of the team. That is not the functional equivalent of the team relocating elsewhere. Rather, that just means there will be a new owner to scream about and burn in effigy when fans become so motivated.

    Other teams that have been sold recently did not move. They just got fresh blood, new cash, and sometimes new delusional owners who have the biggest toy ever to play with and some in fact that then spend irrationally everywhere and anywhere. Examples: Tampa Bay, St. Louis, Anaheim, Nashville, Minnesota and Edmonton.

    In fairness, the spending like a drunken sailor phase is solely being witnessed in Tampa Bay where the mullet named Melrose returns thankfully elsewhere. The other teams, O.K. Nashville only , have their share of headlines one involving the Kings’ owner, Anschutz. Regardless of what sanction is due Anschutz and Leopold now of the Wild is irrelevant for fans’ purposes. Why? Because not one of these teams mentioned moved from their original spot including Nashville who has far more attendance problems than the Kings.

    Bettman has a lot of scrutiny on him right now because of the actions of Leopold and Anschutz, two of his staunchest supporters, since they provided the questionably legitimate financing for the Predators’ sale without notice to the league. Oops!! Only they know why they neglected to tell their closest ally about this pesky financing detail of theirs.

    No doubt, this situation puts a stain on Bettman since the Predators’ sale should never have gone threw without full disclosure of the financial bonifides of Del Biaggo. I really thought the day of creative financing was a past bygone after the fiasco with John Spano and the Islanders which went down in the last decade. Apparently not!

    My point?

    Bettman isn’t going to be doing Anschutz any favors and allow him to relocate a team solely because he chose to make a business decision and build a building without an anchor tenant. Does anyone really think Bettman is going to allow the Board of Governors to approve moving the Kings who enjoy a new state of the art building solely because Anschutz made a premature business decision on a stadium? Really… huh?

    Moving the Kings could only be seen as an economic move for Anschutz and a PR disaster for Bettman. The commissioner has put the kibosh on every other current attempt to move an existing team. He just has. This includes both Nashville and Pittsburgh. That is the recent history of Bettman on the relocation of teams. Why would Bettman do any favors for Anschutz right now? I know in his shoes, I would pass.

    Do I have proof or a link for this?

    No, and I would never suggest otherwise. Nonetheless, I am not changing my opinion on the Kings finding a new zip code solely because others’ emotions suggest this to be the case.

    Those who are so quick to join the fray of believers who think the team is moving, I ask you this: What is the possibility that secretly you want the team to move so you can give up this addictive fix on a team that is more known for disappointing you and tugging on your heart strings? Not only that, no doubt that pain is accompanied by an increased liquor tab to survive the never-ending losing.

    Besides, who rationally believes, when panicked especially , that Lombardi’s claims that this rebuild is different than all the prior ones before it. The truth or non-truth of this has yet to play out on the ice. I do get that. As to next season, those who get paid to provide their opinion near universally believe the Kings may have a bright future but they have a bleak present now. That is the real angst of all of this when you think about it.

    Carla Muller

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    Thank you Carla!

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    Carla,

    That was a long run!

    Thanks,

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    Quote Originally Posted by CarlaMuller View Post
    AEG owned building in Kansas City with no anchor tenant

    I am waiting to see something to this other than the fact AEG owns another building. I watch other teams – that does not make me change my loyalties. Anschutz at one time owned near every team in the MLS league. AEG likes to own sports teams is not the same as AEG therefore moves the teams they own.
    The Sprint Center just opened less than a year ago. AEG owns and operates a number of venues but the majority of them are small capacity concert halls. The Sprint Center is the only arena, located in the States without an anchor tenant, that could reasonably house a professional sports team.

    Quote Originally Posted by CarlaMuller View Post
    Kings are losing money in Los Angeles

    This has been a fact forever. What makes this year different than any other when the Kings losing money is as sure a bet as that the sky is blue, money is green and the team has no NHL established goaltender?
    This fact alone is meaningless. It's only brought up to point out that AEG would financially risk nothing by moving the Kings.

    Quote Originally Posted by CarlaMuller View Post
    AEG is selling a minority ownership interest

    Surely, if AEG is selling any interest in the team coupled with the essential fire sale of any Kings with material salary dollars means the team is being ready for a sale. Right? I am happy to concede that this is a potential smoke screen for a sale of the team. That is not the functional equivalent of the team relocating elsewhere. Rather, that just means there will be a new owner to scream about and burn in effigy when fans become so motivated.
    AEG has more interest in owning the real estate than they do owning the teams. AEG owns a minority share of the Lakers as well. Selling part of the Kings would reduce the financial loss of owning the Kings while moving the Kings to Kansas City could, hypothetically, lead to financial gains in developing Kansas City real estate.

    Quote Originally Posted by CarlaMuller View Post
    Other teams that have been sold recently did not move. They just got fresh blood, new cash, and sometimes new delusional owners who have the biggest toy ever to play with and some in fact that then spend irrationally everywhere and anywhere. Examples: Tampa Bay, St. Louis, Anaheim, Nashville, Minnesota and Edmonton.
    AEG isn't looking to sell the Kings outright... they're looking to sell a minority share and have that minority owner take over the day to day operations. Again... shrinking the financial loss of owning the team while retaining the ability to do whatever they want with it.

    Quote Originally Posted by CarlaMuller View Post
    Bettman isn’t going to be doing Anschutz any favors and allow him to relocate a team solely because he chose to make a business decision and build a building without an anchor tenant. Does anyone really think Bettman is going to allow the Board of Governors to approve moving the Kings who enjoy a new state of the art building solely because Anschutz made a premature business decision on a stadium? Really… huh?
    The history of professional sports is littered with teams moving when their league didn't want them to.

    Al Davis successfully filed an anti-trust lawsuit against the NFL and moved his team to Los Angeles.

    Bettman is an employee of the owners.

    Quote Originally Posted by CarlaMuller View Post
    Moving the Kings could only be seen as an economic move for Anschutz and a PR disaster for Bettman. The commissioner has put the kibosh on every other current attempt to move an existing team. He just has. This includes both Nashville and Pittsburgh. That is the recent history of Bettman on the relocation of teams. Why would Bettman do any favors for Anschutz right now? I know in his shoes, I would pass.
    ONLY be seen as a PR disaster for Bettman??? Two teams were lost from the LA market in the NFL and it remains stronger than ever. The NHL sacrificed an entire season over an economic struggle. You think they care about PR hits in the League offices? Who's going to stop watching hockey because LA only has one team instead of two?

    Quote Originally Posted by CarlaMuller View Post

    No, and I would never suggest otherwise. Nonetheless, I am not changing my opinion on the Kings finding a new zip code solely because others’ emotions suggest this to be the case.
    While I'm not %100 convinced of my own silliness... it has nothing to do with emotion. The move is absolutely possible.

    Quote Originally Posted by CarlaMuller View Post
    Those who are so quick to join the fray of believers who think the team is moving, I ask you this: What is the possibility that secretly you want the team to move so you can give up this addictive fix on a team that is more known for disappointing you and tugging on your heart strings? Not only that, no doubt that pain is accompanied by an increased liquor tab to survive the never-ending losing.
    How dare you?

    No. Seriously. How dare you suggest that any Kings fan secretly wants it to happen? If the Kings actually moved I would be devastated. I would be so beyond upset I would probably stop watching sports all together. Also... I don't drink that much and certainly never when watching Kings hockey.

    Quote Originally Posted by CarlaMuller View Post
    Besides, who rationally believes, when panicked especially , that Lombardi’s claims that this rebuild is different than all the prior ones before it. The truth or non-truth of this has yet to play out on the ice. I do get that. As to next season, those who get paid to provide their opinion near universally believe the Kings may have a bright future but they have a bleak present now. That is the real angst of all of this when you think about it.
    I was excited when Lombardi was brought in and said they would be building the team. Then he signed Crawford, Blake, Cloutier, McAuley, Handzus, Stuart and Nagy. Now this off-season we find out that Lombardi had to go to management to OK some of his moves. A complete reversal from what he had claimed was the situation a few seasons ago.

    I remain optimistic about the talent of the youth currently under contract to the Los Angeles Kings... but that's been true every year I've been a Kings fan. Because being a "fan" isn't about rationality. It's about fanaticism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Naysay View Post


    How dare you?

    No. Seriously. How dare you suggest that any Kings fan secretly wants it to happen? If the Kings actually moved I would be devastated. I would be so beyond upset I would probably stop watching sports all together. Also... I don't drink that much and certainly never when watching Kings hockey.



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    Kind of funny Doc that you're saying this when you're the main person that keeps pushing for the move to KC. How dare you I say? I realize it's mainly for attention, but the numerous threads show there's some part of you really wanting the Kings to move.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mitchrock View Post
    Kind of funny Doc that you're saying this when you're the main person that keeps pushing for the move to KC. How dare you I say? I realize it's mainly for attention, but the numerous threads show there's some part of you really wanting the Kings to move.
    Absolutely not!

    I don't want it to happen. No part of me wants it to happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Naysay View Post
    Absolutely not!

    I don't want it to happen. No part of me wants it to happen.
    Then stop posting your stupid little threads.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ecktore View Post
    Then stop posting your stupid little threads.
    I have.

    If you'll notice... I didn't start this one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Naysay View Post
    I have.

    If you'll notice... I didn't start this one.
    Very true.

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    ok, good article...Carla, it was me who asked Hextall to guarantee the team would not move, at the last sth meeting. (which you failed to mention in your 3 part report).). ..Why ? Because it occurred to me that being upset about draft picks, salary moves, or any other hockey move is really not my concern.

    I am a fan---I love going to the games. I may at any time choose to not go to a game if I am unhappy with the team. I choose to be a fan and spend my money on this team--the LOS ANGELES Kings.

    So, the only thing that would annoy me is if they move, making my thousands and thousands of dollars truly wasted.

    I will not rehash all the arguments pro and con , except to say that until the Sprint Center has a major league team as a tenant, that is NOT the Kings, it is simply naive to think it will NOT BE the Kings.

    And as for the fan part...well sorry I do not want them to move, and I started this whole thing with Naysay.

    But when an organization hires a manager whom you hate, who in turn hires a coach whom you hate, who then brings back the two most unpopular players, whom you dislike.....well...I am sorry, but my trust in them is broken.

    just that simple

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