September 19th, 2008, 08:03 AM #11
September 19th, 2008, 09:16 AM #12
That's it in a nutshell, right there.
Originally Posted by Carla Muller
Hockey's original bad boy. The "Cowboy" Howie Young
September 19th, 2008, 10:08 AM #13
Good post. Personally, I think Sully's getting bad advice from Meehan. If he misses camp, it may well have a very negative impact on his season, which will cost him more money in the long run than any extra money he makes from the deal. At this stage of his career, if I'm his agent, I'm telling the kid "I'll play hardball up until training camp, but between you and me, you have to be there." It's too early in his career for him to be missing training camps.
September 19th, 2008, 10:18 AM #14
Here, here, Carla. Once again, you've hit the nail on the head. Let's hope POS meant what he said and, indeed, wants to be a part of this organization for the long haul. Great post, Carla, as always.
September 19th, 2008, 11:10 AM #15
Great post! We are still rebuilding and that also means building the team from within.
September 19th, 2008, 11:10 AM #16
I'm with Carla on this one.
It's time for Sully to meet with DL and put an end to his agent controlling this situation. Sully can solve this whole mess himself, IF he really wants to be a part of the Kings future.
September 19th, 2008, 12:25 PM #17
nice read, But...
This is the NHL, it is a business first and foremost. Players like O'Sullivan have the right to do exactly what he is doing.
His not taking a lesser amount does not make him a bad team mate. Nor does it send the message he doesn't want to be here. It's business pure and simple.
Unless he bad mouths the team or players if he comes back he will be welcomed back with open arms by the players.
It's the business side of the NHL pure and simple. Get over it.
Also Lombardi didn't lose his job in San Jose due to contractual challenges.
The Gunds wanted to win and allowed Lombardi to pursue players and pay them, maybe a bit too much.
New ownership came in, demanded Lombardi to cut payroll, and hard ball others on contract demands. They put him in a no win position.
With a couple of players holding out and the team on pins and needles, they played poorly. When Lombardi couldn't move contracts approved by previous ownership, he was fired.
The truth is the San Jose Sports and Entertainment Enterprises wanted to move him out and bring in their guy on the inside Doug Wilson.
Lombardi was a victim of circumstance, pure and simple.
September 19th, 2008, 01:29 PM #18
Stop with the take one for the team crap. These hockey guys know how to play hockey, that's it. He'd have problems balancing a checkbook. He's going to get as much as he can as fast as he can, and he is going to rely on professionals to provide that service. He doesn't care whether he plays for the Kings. And that makes him no different from every other guy is this league.
September 19th, 2008, 03:45 PM #19
I am sorry to say it but I am convinced that you are dead wrong - again - on this issue.
Lombardi is trying to thread a needle here and it is risky. DL wants to have his cake and eat it too.
On the one hand DL says that O'Sullivan is a young player who has one good season of scoring on a bad team. He says that he needs to prove himself.
At the same time DL is insisting on a long term contract. If a player hasn't proved himself, would it not seem logical to sign a short term contract and do the requisite "proving" before agreeing to a long term deal?
DL is pushing for a bargain basement contract for a player with no incentive to sign one. Though they were drafted the same year, this is not like the Dustin Brown situation. Brown had a baby on the way and had played in L.A. since he was 18. DB had a reason to sacrifice some money - security. POS has 1.5 seasons in L.A., is not a family man as of the moment (to my knowledge) and was drafted by a different organization. Whereas DB improved gradually over time, POS has been a fast riser in his time year, absent his first time up in the bigs. These are different situations.
Rather than allowing POS an opportunity to sign a fair, short term contract and prove last year was no fluke he wants to save money under the pretense that it is to help sign other players within the organization.
I understand that DL has a plan to build a contender but sometimes you need to adjust your plan to realities on the ground. DL shouldn't force POS to take a long term deal for $2-3 million if he is going to score like a $4-5 million player.
O'Sullivan had a great season and DL openly talked about POS being a part of the "core". If he means it then POS needs to get paid like a "core" player. If DL does not think that way then he needs to sign POS to a one or two year deal and avoid this distraction. The team has a new coach and POS is out of town on the first day of training camp. Not good!
September 19th, 2008, 04:25 PM #20
I agree that these are different situations but not for the reasons you mentioned. When Brown got his extension, he didn't become the goal scoring maniac until AFTER he signed that deal. Before he took off, I mentally had him pegged as being a physical winger only. I was wrong and am thrilled I was so wrong about him. Those issues aside, DB was in the middle of his THIRD pro season.
Originally Posted by Dominic Lavoie
O'Sullivan has ONE NHL season under his belt. He could go onto having a great career; just as possible he could be a lot of potential that never gets realized. O'Sullivan didn't really take off last season IMO until he got on Kopitar's line. Giving full marks, once he did, he proved why Crawford kept him there.
If a player wants the deals I have seen people mentioning, he has to prove he can perform that way consistently and be that effective on a winning team. The fault on Lombardi's side is that they are perhaps so hell bent on a longer deal, that requires O'Sullivan's agent to fight for what he will be worth if he becomes consistent and realizes his potential. That is a whole lot of gambling on both sides.
The notion that O'Sullivan is worth $4 million after 1 season only is absolutely laughable. Him not being here in camp is HUGE and could effect his career. Why I do and will continue to take issue with O'Sullivan is because he should be in the state, he should have a face to face with DL, Solomon the whole crew and his own people. They should lock the door and not come out until a deal is done. The problem as I see it is that this should have been done forever ago.
If this were me, I am HUGE on taking control over my life on the things that are controllable by me. I am not saying O'Sullivan should drop kick his agent. I am saying he should show up, have the meeting and then if this goes to hell, he can know 100% that he did everything under his control that he could do. With that knowledge, he then would ideally have no remorse on whatever happens next. That is my opinion and I would stand by it to his face if I am ever presented such an opportunity.
Players who develop a reputation for not getting signed and asking for $$ before they earn it get their dollars if their play backs it up. I do get that. There are some things in life that money cannot buy. I know, duh... When a player takes a hometown discount, in exchange he gets security and the family feeling that comes from having that tatoo on a player's backside. When an organization pays for potential before anyone knows whether that potential will become reality, the team takes a gamble they are right.
In other words, when making a deal, if everyone thinks they should have done better, that is generally the best and most fair deal. It takes action and ownership when everyone wants to make it happen. Now, all I see if posturing. DL should let O'Sullivan sign a shorter deal and let him earn the bucks he wants. I have a hard time believing this or some other organization won't give it to him once he backs it up.
This is now a chicken and egg thing between length of term and amount of coin. As I see it, either way, O'Sullivan has more to lose than the Kings.