Thread: Hips Thoughts- As it Stands right now.....

Self-righteousness, KingfanMGM you do it well!

Originally Posted by UnholyGoalie

Self-righteousness, KingfanMGM you do it well!

It's a message board. People have varying opinions, and while everyone will not agree on all things, it does not give anybody the right to generally dismiss everyone else as "idiotic posters" just because they firmly believe their opinion is the only opinion that matters.

We really do have a Goalie Bi-Polar issue as a group.
I think admitting it is the first part of addressing the issue.
When we have had such bad goaltending for so many years we pretty much go ape sh** when someone makes a decent save and were ready to send someone packing when a crappy one leaks in.

1) Hipcheck was saying that Bernier's AHL stats should have justified his starting for the Kings in the playoffs. The point about the last 3 or so goalies was me showing that small stretches of success and some good work in the AHL don't really mean all that much. And when you look around this offseason and you see more "Should we trade Quick" posts, it's just the same thing we've seen with those previous goalies over and over again. The guys come back to earth and then we have to see.

2) By saying he wanted Bernier to start in the playoffs, well, that's saying Quick shouldn't have played because we had what he thought was a better option. So, in this limited sense, yes - being pro-Bernier to play in this case DOES mean you're anti-Quick to play in that situation. Again, just to be clear - "in this case" and "in that situation."

3) Was Quick great? In the second half or in the playoffs? No.
Was he average? Probably most of the time.
Was he bad? Of course he had those times, too.
Was goaltending the ONLY problem, or even the biggest problem in the second half or in the playoffs? No. And not even by a longshot.
The problem comes, though, when you start thinking in simple terms. "If only he made one more save." "If only we scored one more goal." And then you look back and assign those "one" moments to individual players in, as blando rails against, a vacuum. Not every goal allowed can be straight line attributed only to the goalie, and just because the other team outscores you, that doesn't mean it's only the goalie's fault.

Ok....who was the last team to win a playoff series with a goalie posting that low of SV%? I am not saying the playoff loss was Quicks fault but saying goaltending played no part of it? Wha Wha What?

Originally Posted by darby

1) Hipcheck was saying that Bernier's AHL stats should have justified his starting for the Kings in the playoffs. The point about the last 3 or so goalies was me showing that small stretches of success and some good work in the AHL don't really mean all that much. And when you look around this offseason and you see more "Should we trade Quick" posts, it's just the same thing we've seen with those previous goalies over and over again. The guys come back to earth and then we have to see.

What about the 3 wins late in the season that earned the playoff birth as well? I am not calling for Quick to get traded at all-but I am glad to have a qualified backup and potential #1 to push Quick and maybe more.

Originally Posted by darby

2) By saying he wanted Bernier to start in the playoffs, well, that's saying Quick shouldn't have played because we had what he thought was a better option. So, in this limited sense, yes - being pro-Bernier to play in this case DOES mean you're anti-Quick to play in that situation. Again, just to be clear - "in this case" and "in that situation."

I think Murrays Old School coaching dictated Quick would get the starts but any other coaches from the new school of coaching would have went and been justified with going with Bernier. If Murray was coaching Carolina he would have stuck with Martin Gerber over Cam Ward IMO.

I think we have a big problem if the Kings don't at least add a defenseman or two before camp starts. You aren't really setting the bar high for rookies if they don't have to beat out at least a marginal NHL talent for a job. I've been a supporter of DL but I think he has done a poor job this offseason to this point.

I agree with the OP. We need at least two NHL capable dmen and some more toughness in the lineup. Andy Sutton could have helped out in both areas. I'm goin to really question DL if he doesn't resolve at least part of these issues before training camp because he has acknowledged both issues this offseason. So far he has done nothing to address any issues except replacing Frolov with an arguably less talent.
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Originally Posted by darby

Now, did Quick goalie go on an insane, head-standing performance (which it seems more than a few people DEMAND of any goaltender at all times)? Certainly not.

But I think we can all agree that in order to win a playoff series, you are gonna need your goalie to do that at one point. Had he done it and the Kings still lost, I think there'd be a lot less questioning of his abilities. Until he does, or doesn't do it, I think it is fair to say that the Kings goaltending is still a question mark. But then again, when isn't that the case with the Kings.

As for Bernier, he's even more of a question mark IMHO. I wouldn't be surprised if by the end of next season there's another goalie we aren't even talking about now in the mix.

Originally Posted by Hipcheck

Ok....who was the last team to win a playoff series with a goalie posting that low of SV%? I am not saying the playoff loss was Quicks fault but saying goaltending played no part of it? Wha Wha What?

This ^^^^^^^^^
The role he played in the first round exit has plenty of weight. You need your goalie to steal a game or two and he didn't do that. What I saw from him in the playoffs looked like his B- game not his A game. He played his equal part in it.