Thread: Should He Stay or Should He Go? .... Michael Cammalleri

Season ticket holders last summer had an opportunity to ask questions of Lombardi regarding the Kings. Lombardi left a riddle hanging in the air that night. He explained that he would make one WTF trade. As fans, he asked us to be patient, that this trade would make sense later.

After Cammalleri’s arbitration last summer, or more accurately, when the team and player failed to reach an agreement, I figured he was a goner if the # went the player’s way. Once the Kings won and also got him tied up for two years, I guessed that this was the scenario Lombardi was thinking. Here we sit mid-way through a challenging Kings’ season, approaching the trade deadline and wondering whether this is still the guy Dean will not only move but is he the player DL referred to.

Cammalleri’s rib injury and O’Sullivan’s strong play on the #1 line beg the question. Is he missed? Speaking only for myself, I don’t. I cannot put my finger on why, just a gut feeling. The season start in London and in October, Cammalleri scored early and often and for an isolated moment that seems eons ago, he was the NHL’s #1 goal scorer.

The Edmonton home win on October 27, 2007 was a game televised on Hockey Night in Canada. Cammalleri was featured in an interview that night and press everywhere couldn’t write enough positive press about him – in October. That was then and this is now. Here is how his statistics played out prior to his rib injury:

Stats: London Games September 3 G 1 A
Octomber 11 GP 7 G 3 A
November 10 GP 2 G 5 A
December 13 GP 3 G 6 A

Only Cammalleri himself can provide context for his year so far. My best speculation is that once opponents singled him out, he disappeared some games. In order to be a $6 million dollar a year player, you have to be the guy everyone tries to stop and just cannot. Frolov often has double and even triple coverage and makes plays anyway. Ditto for Kopitar. If I am on another team, considering that most of his goals are scored with one knee to the ground, he goes down and I pounce. Period. He needs another move at a minimum.

To be fair, I did some research on his play since his college days to the present to provide a complete view of his value as a future King or the best trade bait outside of Blake. One of the first articles I read he described how he is an atypical Canadian – since he is willing to wear #13. I don’t remember exactly where or when I read this, but it was an interview when he explained how he ended up with a number near no Canadian would accept.

Canadians can be superstitious so if you look across the NHL, finding another Canadian with #13 would be the exception and not the rule. Before his collegiate days, Michael told a story how he ended up with that number – when it wasn’t his choice. He was on a team and someone brought out the box with jerseys for every player to take. His father forced him to let others go before him. (I forget why admittedly.) When every player had their jersey, the only one left had the #13. He took it upon himself to not be jinxed by a number. He would be better in spite of the digits on his back.

That tenacity helped him in his collegiate play with the Michigan Wolverines. In an article in the Michigan Daily, they called him “Mr. Everything”. There, Cammalleri discussed how his height is irrelevant to him. Play big and you are big. This is what others had to say about him in that article:

"Mike is a proven player," Michigan associate head coach Mel Pearson said. "If you go through our lineup and see who our proven scorers are you won't find many. He"s the offensive leader of our team. He can change a game by himself, so we need him in the lineup."

"He's one of our most talented players," Michigan coach Red Berenson said. "He brings that dimension. He can do things with the puck in the offensive zone that most players can't do. He can either provide offense or create offense."

The full article can be read here:

http://media.www.michigandaily.com/m...-1407303.shtml

Funny thing is that Cammalleri’s total games played in college changed between the season before this article and the season after when he was looked upon to be ‘Mr. Everything’. The ability to stay healthy is just as key as offensive success. Check this out:

2000-2001 42 GP 29 G 32 A 61 points 24 PIM (1.45 points per game)
2001-2002 29 GP 23 G 21 A 44 points 28 PIM (1.52 points per game)

I didn’t research why he played fewer games. Statistically, he had .07 more points per game, was an alternate captain and All CCHA 2nd team. This season, his scoring and health may or may not be analogous. He went on to give up his senior year at the University of Michigan to sign with the Kings. I am guessing he did not anticipate being sent to Manchester after training camp that year after he gave up his last year of collegiate eligibility.

That being said, even back then, he was a tough guy to sign. Read more here:

“Cammalleri signed with the Kings in late July, and at the time, General Manager Dave King told Los Angeles reporters that Cammalleri threatened to play in the Ontario Hockey League if the Kings did not sign him. If Cammalleri had gone to the OHL, he would have become a free agent after this year.”

The full article can be read here:

http://media.www.michigandaily.com/m...-1412686.shtml

At the AHL level, he excelled so kudos go to him for earning his way to the NHL rather than skulking or other negative choices other players have taken when faced with similar paths. His AHL accomplishments can be read about here:

http://www.monarchshockey.com/fullstory.php?id=1677

In this fall’s media blitz, ESPN stepped up as well. One question asked was whether he would resign in 2009. Here is his answer:

“I really haven't thought that far ahead. There's a lot to happen between now and then, and I'm excited about our team. So, it won't affect the way I play the game, that's for sure.”

The full article can be read here where amongst other things he discussed his own Bentley, his spot on MTV Cribs and how Avery borrowed Pavel Demitra’s Bentley in Avery’s own television spot:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/column...vid&id=3086964

In the end, only Lombardi knows for sure the amount he would pay Cammalleri and only #13 knows what he would accept. When he is on and in a zone, he is everything. When he is not, he is easy to miss on the ice. Here is a sampling of his best:

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kmsF93bBww"]YouTube - Mike Cammalleri Ultimate highlight video[/ame]

Considering the salary cap, how hard he may prove to sign, he reminds me of Hossa. He isn’t resigning with Atlanta before the end of this season anymore than I believe Cammalleri would next season with the Kings.

I speculate that there will be no hometown discount. He seems like the guy who would go to the highest bidder. There is nothing wrong with that. However, considering the talent of O’Sullivan, the number of players the Kings have to re-sign, if you are Lombardi, as teams get desperate between now and the February trade deadline, do you keep him or do you go all in and trade him when his value might not be higher since he is more than just a rental this season?

Carla Muller

Carla.hockeygal@att.net

Short answer: If DL finds a deal that makes the team better, he goes. If not, he stays.

MTL would probably never do this but if it were a choice between Mike Komisarek and Michael Cammalleri, I'd do it



and even if Cammi's not dealt within the next month or in the offseason, he'll probably be gone next year at the deadline.


If Anaheim wants him, I'd ask for Edmonton's first overall and then some. Otherwise, no deal. He probably would help put them over the top though.

One has to consider a Top Six that includes Kopitar, Brown, O'Sullivan, Cammalleri and Frolov.

If Cammalleri was to be reasonable in his salary requirement at the end of next season and DL could keep these five players together for the next 5 years I think that would be the best scenario a Kings fan could hope for.

Money wise those guys equate to, what, around $15 - $20 million cap hit per season?? I'm at work so I don't have time to do the math or look it up.

Originally Posted by Losesomemore

One has to consider a Top Six that includes Kopitar, Brown, O'Sullivan, Cammalleri and Frolov.

If Cammalleri was to be reasonable in his salary requirement at the end of next season and DL could keep these five players together for the next 5 years I think that would be the best scenario a Kings fan could hope for.

Money wise those guys equate to, what, around $15 - $20 million cap hit per season?? I'm at work so I don't have time to do the math or look it up.

Code:

PLAYER                 POS       TEAM     D.O.B.         AVG'D AMT        2007-08         2008-09         2009-10         2010-11         2011-12         2012-13        2013-14      
CAMMALLERI, MIKE        C        L.A     82/06/08        3,350,000       3,100,000       3,600,000         UFA      
FROLOV, ALEXANDER       L        L.A     82/06/19        2,900,000       3,000,000       3,500,000       4,000,000         UFA      
BROWN, DUSTIN           L        L.A     84/11/04        1,175,000       1,175,000       2,600,000       2,450,000       3,500,000       3,500,000       3,500,000         UFA
DB's Cap Hit on Extended Contract                       (3,110,000)
KOPITAR, ANZE           C        L.A     87/08/24          955,867         850,000         765,000         RFA
Potential AK Bonus's                                                       134,200         134,200
O'SULLIVAN, PATRICK     C        L.A     85/02/01          850,800         650,000         RFA
Potential PO Bonus's                                                        60,000
JOHNSON, JACK           D        L.A     87/01/13        2,150,000         850,000         850,000         RFA
Potential JJ Bonus's                                                     1,950,000       1,950,000
Cap Hit ................................................................ 9,231,667      10,315,867       6,010,000       3,110,000       3,110,000       3,110,000

Others of Note
HANDZUS, MICHAL         C        L.A     77/03/11        4,000,000       4,000,000       4,000,000       4,000,000       4,000,000         UFA      
PREISSING, TOM          D        L.A     78/12/03        2,750,000       2,750,000       2,750,000       2,750,000       2,750,000         UFA
VISNOVSKY, LUBOMIR      D        L.A     76/08/11        1,824,000       2,052,000       7,000,000       7,000,000       6,000,000       5,000,000       3,000,000         UFA
LV's Cap Hit on Extended Contract                       (5,600,000)
Cap Hit ................................................ 8,754,000      12,350,000      12,350,000      12,350,000       5,600,000       5,600,000

Total Cap Hit ......................................................... 17,985,667      22,665,867      18,360,000      15,460,000       8,710,000       8,710,000

I'll say it again Cammalleri for Suter straight up.

It's a good deal for both teams.

This is what you have to ask yourself:

Who do the kings have to replace his production? No one.

If you trade him for picks and/or prospects, the team is down to 4 top six forwards. Knowing DL's signing history, he overpays for UFA's. Not good.

This is what some of you knuckleheads have to think about. I can sure as hell bet that most of the "trade Cammy" people would be the first ones to bitch and moan once he scores 30-40 goals on another team. Not to mention be an impact player in the playoffs.

The bottom line is, he's about to enter his prime making 3.1 mil this year & 3.2 mil next year. You don't trade players like that, you keep them. You don't trade a player of his caliber unless you are getting 1a or 1b center, 1-2 dman or bona fide #1 goalie ala Brodeur, Kipper or Luongo.

Although the Ducks would probably not go for it....


Cammy for Bobby Ryan + Edm's 1st rounder this year.....

Is he missed? Speaking only for myself, I don’t. I cannot put my finger on why, just a gut feeling.

Kopitar is the reason. It's the reason why most Kings fans don't miss him. We know he can get us a huge return. We all want Stamkos, and that would be awesome. But what if a three way deal could send Cammy to a team, they send us a first rounder, that team sends a player to team A, and team B sends us a first. That would give us 2 more firsts this year, totalling 4. In a deep draft, that will build a winner.