August 24th, 2008, 05:11 PM #21
I'm going to agree with Naysay here. With the Kings' rookies having as high upside as they do, the organization becomes a sleeping giant, waiting for the kids to develop. If you're a veteran considering this team, you've got to realize that you'll be relatively important up until this 'giant' wakes up, at which point your job security takes a sizable hit. Sure, you can play well and dictate your role in the organization, but on the flip side, management might view your great play as having a greater return in the trade market, paving the way for you to end your career as a journeyman.
August 24th, 2008, 05:19 PM #22
I think it is a little of both. Any player who does their job well is either going to make it impossible for the Kings to want to lose what the player brings or another team will pay a Kings' ransom for said player. Gary Roberts was re-signed in Pittsburgh after his rental trade. As an aside, I never buy gross generalizations. I think there is some validity to what you and Naysay said and the premise I started with that being the veterans will have as much right to ice as they earn compared to their teammates.
Originally Posted by Nemmy700
August 25th, 2008, 08:22 AM #23
A few points on team toughness:
Originally Posted by Dr. Naysay
(1) If losing is a reason why veterans (or youngsters) don't want to play in L.A., team toughness is something that every player should seek to contribute to, because it is a factor that helps a team to win.
(2) While I'm not sure that Thornton was signed as an Enforcer, I don't think anyone doubts that he was signed as a Grinder. Grinders are expected to do the dirty work, including fighting. If a veteran grinder is concerned about "risk[ing] discomfort for the rest of...[his]...life" then simply don't sign an NHL contract with any team. Because, no matter where you go, your role is going to include getting your hands dirty.
(3) I thought Thornton was a good example of a player contributing to team toughness. He wasn't the best skater, but he was always in the face of the other team when he needed to be. If a Kings player was cross-checked, he seemed to be right there to respond in kind. He was there to respond to force with force. And, he fought occasionally. Which leads me to my final point.
(4) Team toughness does not always mean fighting. In fact, I'd say it's a minor part of it (how many times is Ivanans really going to fight a guy in a game? Once? Twice at the most?) I understand the "risk" factor in any scuffle (whether it's a brawl or a facewash), but I consider team toughness to be more along the lines of a "willingness to fight" and includes something as basic as the willingness to lay the body on the opposing player (and not letting guys run around in our defensive zone unfettered).
I recognize your point was geared more toward the risk involved for veterans in the twilight of their careers in terms of "fighting," but I think fighting is only one element (and not the main element) of "team toughness." I can't remember if everyone wanted Thornton to fight in every game (which would have been ridiculous), but I thought he was one of the few that actually contributed to team toughness when he was here.
August 25th, 2008, 08:45 AM #24
Carla are you on Hockey.buzz anymore?
August 25th, 2008, 10:59 AM #25
August 25th, 2008, 08:21 PM #26
Feeling Sorry For the Fillers?
Wow, I was starting to feel badly for these outgoing Kings and prospective UFA's. I mean, how awful of the Kings to pay these poor guys' millions of dollars to be "fillers".
DL really should take into account thier feelings. Obviously, I am being sarcastic. Lets get real here, the Gullianos and the Modrys of the world are not exactly world beaters. Who did they expect to offer them contracts? The Rangers, Detriot, Dallas? When a team is "rebuilding", otherwise known as awful, they generally have young players and fringe players who wouldn't normally be in the NHL anyway. In my view these players owe the Kings a debt of gratitude for bing so bad for so long that they have created a virtual who's who of fringe NHLers. Look at the list of marginal players the Kings have made millionaires over the last 40 years! As a matter of fact the NHLPA should give a Lifetime Acheivement award to the Kings for single handedly doubling thier membership.