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    Ok...so Breaking Bad...spoilers. Anyone feel slightly manipulated? Haven't ever felt this way before regarding BB. The show has unfolded completely organically, until Sunday night. First off. The Great Train Robbery. It takes a LOT of suspension of disbelief. A LOT! And Jesse 2 times this season has gone all 'RAINMAN' and come up with ridiculous solutions to things. But, that's not the worst of it. I feel horribly manipulated regarding the kid. It just seems forced. And of course it's going to trigger Jesse's clear issues with the protection of children. Yeah, it was a powerful moment, but for the first time I can remember, it felt WRITTEN.

    That being said, I hope someone let the spider out.
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    I don't know, it doesn't seem to me like it was that much more organic last season. The Gus story line, and especially the conclusion of that story line, seemed a bit forced at times as well. The show is past its peak, in my opinion, but it is still very, very good. It's just that at its peak it was so amazing. It didn't even seem like a TV show at its best.

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    I disagree about the Fring stuff. I believed that all so much more. When Walt came up with the wheelchair solution it seemed that it was cobbled together using situations/objects in hand. Came together from desperation that was almost palpable and was a case of the tension dictating the story. The entire episode the other night felt as if they were trying to create tension with story, and it doesn't work as well. The seams show a little bit more. I don't think the show has 'jumped the shark' but I do think they are having trouble rebooting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jerseydevil View Post
    I disagree about the Fring stuff. I believed that all so much more. When Walt came up with the wheelchair solution it seemed that it was cobbled together using situations/objects in hand. Came together from desperation that was almost palpable and was a case of the tension dictating the story. The entire episode the other night felt as if they were trying to create tension with story, and it doesn't work as well. The seams show a little bit more. I don't think the show has 'jumped the shark' but I do think they are having trouble rebooting.
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    I thought the Fring killing was very contrived. Walt convinces the old man to be a suicide bomber, makes a bomb that connects to the bell, and then Fring, ever-so-conveniently, promptly makes his way to the old folks' home to gloat in private, just as required by the plot. Way too neat, tidy and far-fetched for my taste. I also thought the end of the scene, with him walking out and adjusting his tie with half his head gone was way too "Hollywood." That was something you'd see in a typical action flick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by santiclaws View Post
    **SPOILERS***
    I thought the Fring killing was very contrived. Walt convinces the old man to be a suicide bomber, makes a bomb that connects to the bell, and then Fring, ever-so-conveniently, promptly makes his way to the old folks' home to gloat in private, just as required by the plot. Way too neat, tidy and far-fetched for my taste. I also thought the end of the scene, with him walking out and adjusting his tie with half his head gone was way too "Hollywood." That was something you'd see in a typical action flick.

    Oh man...so disagree. The tie straightening was seriously flamboyant, but man that was probably the most epic thing I have ever seen on television. It was all sleight of hand and if you look too closely your points are valid...but they just had so much on the line and such a ticking clock going thru the whole season that it really played better than you make it sound, i.m.o. Just the subtle little touches like Walt's 'Money Pit' moment when he realizes all the cash is gone...all the flourishes just added up to that one big kaboom. And the old man was fleshed out to the point that you really did get he would blow himself up to get vengeance. The downhill physics of the whole season really culminated with that. This Sundays episode seemed more insincere, because there was no 'ticking clock' in the background. Things are almost too good and they had to manufacture some event to wratchet things up. And it felt forced.
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    I really like Lydia btw...mismatched shoes and all. She's a fun addition to a great cast.

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    didn''t fring show up to the nursing home to see why the hell hector was talking to the DEA and not particularly to gloat? i thought he was there to kill him himself because of the DEA chat.

    as for this last episode. *SPOILERS*


    ya, it did seem a like you really had to suspend disbelief, for sure. that train caper seems highly unlikely to pull off. personally, i feel like it would've been even harder to believe if it had gone as flawlessly as it seemed it was going so when the kid showed up, despite the perhaps predictable nature of it, it helped me believe it a little bit more. i like how they started the show with the kid like they have in past episodes, starting with an allusion to the future.

    as for jesse's rainman moments, i feel like he's the "innocent" half of the duo, in a child-like way to walt's evil father figure character. it seems a lot like he's the kid in the group as everyone's busy fumbling about for a solution and he sort of struggles to make his opinion/solution/etc heard. that happens a lot with children.

    still pretty entertaining.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lunchbox View Post
    didn''t fring show up to the nursing home to see why the hell hector was talking to the DEA and not particularly to gloat? i thought he was there to kill him himself because of the DEA chat.

    as for this last episode. *SPOILERS*


    ya, it did seem a like you really had to suspend disbelief, for sure. that train caper seems highly unlikely to pull off. personally, i feel like it would've been even harder to believe if it had gone as flawlessly as it seemed it was going so when the kid showed up, despite the perhaps predictable nature of it, it helped me believe it a little bit more. i like how they started the show with the kid like they have in past episodes, starting with an allusion to the future.as for jesse's rainman moments, i feel like he's the "innocent" half of the duo, in a child-like way to walt's evil father figure character. it seems a lot like he's the kid in the group as everyone's busy fumbling about for a solution and he sort of struggles to make his opinion/solution/etc heard. that happens a lot with children.

    still pretty entertaining.
    That rang a little hollow for me too. Once again, the foreshadowing has always been so subtle and almost playfully teasing. The bear...man oh man...that pink teddy bear. How long did it take for that to pay off? It may be the 8 episodes, but it just feels like they have no time to let things gradually build so they are forcing the issue. It played like a 'best of' episode. The foreshadowing with the end payoff, the best laid plans being altered by a good samaritan, the man-oh-man are they gonna make it moment. Things are just too easy. And to have it be a kid. Manipulative. Why couldn't it have been the samaritan they had to kill instead? Take the kid thing out out of the equation.

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    because the kid makes you go "OH MAN, WTF?!" more. sort of like the reaction (yours or jesse's) to Tomas' fate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lunchbox View Post
    because the kid makes you go "OH MAN, WTF?!" more. sort of like the reaction (yours or jesse's) to Tomas' fate.
    Yeah, but it being a kid is what tweaks me. That's the manipulation. I'd like to see somebody get as bent about an adult getting killed. It's hypocritical. I have spent time around children...they aren't that special. Look at the kid just tooled around the desert on a dirtbike. He probably had lousy parents and was a punk. Who knows what he was gonna do with that spider? Either tear it's legs off or use it to poison his classmates. The world is a better place without him if you ask me.

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