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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Naysay View Post
    Yea but mine are legitimate.
    Yes, they are. But Mondo actually provides a great counterpoint. I felt like you about Sunny, that I liked it, but I had that niggling feeling in the back of my mind that MB actually clarified nicely. You may disagree with him but that makes his points no less valid. It's ok Doc, 2 opinions can exist together.

    In other Fx news

    FX Orders Pilot for Period KGB Spy Drama THE AMERICANS

    Here’s the full press release:


    LOS ANGELES, December 16, 2011 – FX has ordered its next drama pilot, The Americans, which was Created by Joe Weisberg, announced Nick Grad, Executive Vice President, Original Programming, FX.

    The Americans is a drama about the complex marriage of two KGB spies posing as Americans in suburban Washington DC in the early 1980’s. The arranged marriage of Phillip and Elizabeth Jennings, who have two children who know nothing about their parents’ true identity, grows more passionate and genuine by the day, but is constantly tested by the escalation of the Cold War and the intimate, dangerous and darkly funny relationships they must maintain with a network of spies and informants under their control. Complicating their relationship further is Phillip’s growing sense of affinity for America’s values and way of life.

    Grad said, “Joe Weisberg has written one of the best pilot scripts we’ve ever read with two richly drawn and indelible characters embarking on an epically exciting, emotional, and morally complex journey.”

    Weisberg will serve as Executive Producer of The Americans, alongside Executive Producer Graham Yost, who is also Executive Producer/Showrunner of FX’s Emmy® nominated hit drama series Justified. DreamWorks Television is also Executive Producer. The pilot is being produced by Fox Television Studios and FX Productions.

    Weisberg previously worked for the CIA and went on to become an accomplished author. He then moved into television becoming a writer/producer on TNT’s hit series Falling Skies.

    Yost is recognized as one of the finest producers in television. In addition to the Peabody Award winning and AFI honoree Justified, Yost was Executive Producer on HBO’s epic, award-winning miniseries Band of Brothers and The Pacific, and he also created NBC’s critically acclaimed series Boomtown.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jerseydevil View Post
    It's ok Doc, 2 opinions can exist together.
    Not if one of them is demonstrably inaccurate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Naysay View Post
    Not if one of them is demonstrably inaccurate.
    I admire your sense of righteousness Doc, but it doesn't render his argument wrong. It's subjective, you buy in and allow the unreality or you don't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jerseydevil View Post
    I admire your sense of righteousness Doc, but it doesn't render his argument wrong. It's subjective, you buy in and allow the unreality or you don't.
    Oh I agree with THAT wholeheartedly. Part of the appeal of The League (for me) is the fact that it's completely unrealistic. Just don't try and tell me that it's "hyper realism" or try to deny the contrivances that much of the humor relies upon.

    EDIT : For a perfect example of what I'm talking about.... watch the Sunny episode "The Gang Gets Trapped".
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    I must have misread his posts because I didn't come away with that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mondo Blando View Post
    The thing about shows that drop the veneer of "reality" is that it allows them to create and dwell within the world they create. And I LOVE Philly and The League for that reason - they are limited in scope, but fully explore the boundaries of that world.

    I can't tell if its over-magnified or stripped down, but in essence they are shows about people who simply love hanging out with each other, have a distrust of those outside of the group, and love nothing more than getting over on each other - it's actually a fairly realistic concept, just in an absurd half hour comedy form.
    Quote Originally Posted by jerseydevil View Post
    I must have misread his posts because I didn't come away with that.
    Maybe I was reading into it too much.

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    Somewhere in between. He's right in that on Sunny they dropped any pretense of believability and wholeheartedly embraced that concept going forward. I would imagine that it would be hard for someone to come in cold and NOT be thrown by that show and the complete surface ridiculousness. Once you get adjusted to it though, he's right...it's a pretty simple concept as far as the 'gang' being the only reality that is embraced. It's not art or some sort of 'meta' thing, it's just a pretty funny show. If he is suggesting some sort of advanced hyper reality, well then, I would have to call bs too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Naysay View Post
    Oh stop it! Fully explore the boundaries of that world??? Enough... I'll listen to you tell everybody that Kopitar is a floater and that Brown has a brick in between his ears but I won't hear this nonsense.
    It ain't rocket surgery. Both shows are about a group of people involved with very little but themselves and their little factions, so the subject matter is set within those confines. And they don't stick to realism - it's just whatever crazy comedic stuff they can come up with within content of that episode. It gives both shows a certain freedom to run with bizarre, goofy, non-sequitur-ial stuff.

    It's not really sketch comedy, though there are definitely elements in there - more like expanded sketches loosely attached together for one underlying story, not unlike Curb Your Enthusiasm. But I would say that both Sunny and The League more closely resemble live action versions of South Park. By sticking to a more absurd formula, they can explore ideas for laughs that don't really fit into the reality of the situations.


    Both shows are mean-spirited and hilarious - they don't have to be more semi-realisitic to somehow be "better" than other comedies, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jerseydevil View Post
    Somewhere in between. He's right in that on Sunny they dropped any pretense of believability and wholeheartedly embraced that concept going forward. I would imagine that it would be hard for someone to come in cold and NOT be thrown by that show and the complete surface ridiculousness. Once you get adjusted to it though, he's right...it's a pretty simple concept as far as the 'gang' being the only reality that is embraced. It's not art or some sort of 'meta' thing, it's just a pretty funny show. If he is suggesting some sort of advanced hyper reality, well then, I would have to call bs too.
    What ever terms we use, Sunny is very much based on real life situations, just boiled down, then Phillied into something that fits into the comedic theme of the show.

    Take this last season of Sunny - it's been the best by far IMO. They have actively tried to flesh out the characters more. We have learned that Dennis is a closeted homosexual, with an over-inflated sense of his own importance, who made his lifelong friends by hanging out with his drug dealer and the class clown to further his own private delusions of grandeur. We all know people like that, not neccesarily with the same set of circumstances, and hopefilly not to the same degree.

    Charlie was an abortion survivor, from a single mom and was molested by his Night Man uncle. Of course he is going to be imbalanced and have trouble functioning in a normal society. He has no tools for success, which is exactly what you find in people who have suffered thru abuse at a young age.

    Ronald "MAC" MacDonald is forever in search of something, anything, that will make him more relatable to his absentee father - the show has dedicated several episodes to that idea. His machoisms are clearly realted to trying to prove how manly he is, and they always backfire, as he and the rest of the group tend to revel in their self-sabotaging efforts.

    Sweet Dee's confidence was destroyed by her over-bearing mom, and in what I have always though to be a brilliant concept, shares the exact same group of delusions as her brother. I have always loved that while the gang relentlessly taunts her, they are always actually right in their taunts - she is a failure, her dreams are ridiculous, and she does look like a bird.

    I'll give you Frank - he is becoming more and more of a "Kramer" as the show goes along, but for the most part, despite the absurdity of the situations and plot lines, Sunny has always dropped in some finely-layered, and even sad truths about why these people choose to do what they do. They have always made it clear why these people struggle, and why they will never succeed - all through believable and realistic means in a very funny, dark and abstract manner.

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    Hmmmm. Lots to chew on there. And I get where you are going. But this is where I think Doc might be right. I don't think Sunny's writing staff has this hidden agenda where they are layering a dense character study/drama under a slapstick comedy painted in increasingly broad strokes. It's like looking back on the Three Stooges and saying that Moe was unloved as a child and acted that out through being a narcissistic control freak, Larry was a closeted submissive who stood by Moe because it was the closest he could come to fulfilling his 'kink' in that era, etc. Sunny is basically a show where people do extremely wrong funny ****. I will admit they have fleshed out characters who started out as archetypes admirably, but to suggest a 'greater plan' is a little too complimentary.

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