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    Quote Originally Posted by jerseydevil View Post
    Hmmmm. Lots to chew on there. And I get where you are going. But this is where I think Doc might be right. I don't think Sunny's writing staff has this hidden agenda where they are layering a dense character study/drama under a slapstick comedy painted in increasingly broad strokes. It's like looking back on the Three Stooges and saying that Moe was unloved as a child and acted that out through being a narcissistic control freak, Larry was a closeted submissive who stood by Moe because it was the closest he could come to fulfilling his 'kink' in that era, etc. Sunny is basically a show where people do extremely wrong funny ****. I will admit they have fleshed out characters who started out as archetypes admirably, but to suggest a 'greater plan' is a little too complimentary.
    Well, they have dedicated entire episodes to each characters flawed childhoods - AND referred to them over and over again in following episodes. The Christmas Sunny special was sad as hell. That has always been an element of the show since it started. Not in every show, obviously Who Pooped the Bed isn't going to enlighten anyone!

    And I don't know if it was an original intention to expand the characters, but to their credit they have definitely added realistic aspects to them as they have gone along, which is at a layer below surface level. I love it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mondo Blando View Post
    Well, they have dedicated entire episodes to each characters flawed childhoods - AND referred to them over and over again in following episodes. The Christmas Sunny special was sad as hell. That has always been an element of the show since it started. Not in every show, obviously Who Pooped the Bed isn't going to enlighten anyone!

    And I don't know if it was an original intention to expand the characters, but to their credit they have definitely added realistic aspects to them as they have gone along, which is at a layer below surface level. I love it.
    see, this I agree with, but I don't think anything beyond surviving past season 1 was on their original plan. And the fact that Sunny started so simply it has allowed nothing but retrofitting their identities and making them more complex. Like Archer, it's a show that has gotten progessively surer of itself as it has survived and that's the mark of good tv.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jerseydevil View Post
    see, this I agree with, but I don't think anything beyond surviving past season 1 was on their original plan. And the fact that Sunny started so simply it has allowed nothing but retrofitting their identities and making them more complex. Like Archer, it's a show that has gotten progessively surer of itself as it has survived and that's the mark of good tv.
    I think I read that Sunny was originally written as a bunch of wanna-be actors working as waiters in LA, and that they were so sure the show would be cancelled that they were still working their day jobs during the second season.

    I haven't caught Archer yet, but will give it a shot this season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mondo Blando View Post
    I think I read that Sunny was originally written as a bunch of wanna-be actors working as waiters in LA, and that they were so sure the show would be cancelled that they were still working their day jobs during the second season.

    I haven't caught Archer yet, but will give it a shot this season.
    You owe it to yourself to watch the past 2 seasons of Archer too. Really one of the most smart-assed shows on tv. Really good stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mondo Blando View Post
    It ain't rocket surgery. Both shows are about a group of people involved with very little but themselves and their little factions, so the subject matter is set within those confines. And they don't stick to realism - it's just whatever crazy comedic stuff they can come up with within content of that episode. It gives both shows a certain freedom to run with bizarre, goofy, non-sequitur-ial stuff.

    It's not really sketch comedy, though there are definitely elements in there - more like expanded sketches loosely attached together for one underlying story, not unlike Curb Your Enthusiasm. But I would say that both Sunny and The League more closely resemble live action versions of South Park. By sticking to a more absurd formula, they can explore ideas for laughs that don't really fit into the reality of the situations.


    Both shows are mean-spirited and hilarious - they don't have to be more semi-realisitic to somehow be "better" than other comedies, right?

    OK I'm going to have to bail on the Sunny comparisons because I just haven't been keeping up with it as closely over the last few seasons because I just couldn't take the characters anymore...

    BUT..........

    To compare the League to Curb Your Enthusiasm is like comparing Dustin Brown to Gordie Howe.

    EDIT : And The League is nothing like South Park but for the fact that they're, ostensibly, about a group of friends who occasionally rip on each other.

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    Not sure how I feel about the AHS finale'. Seems to be a kind of unnatural calm that comes to ghosts. The 'afterbirth' episode was really the conclusion with this being more of an anti-climax that basically turned into Beetlejuice. Dylan McDermott's character is on record as being one of the most consistently stupid characters in the history of television. When everyone tells you not to bring the baby in a house that cost you EVERYTHING, you not only are going to bring it in there, but you are going to leave it unwatched as you SPOILERS


    Off yourself. Tied up satisfactorily enough, just not worthy of the good work this show did early on. If you go back a few pages you can read how this was supposed to be longer but the creators were too busy with Glee to write more. I think that's indicitive of the whole season really. Hopefully they will either turn it over to a dedicated team or they will give this show the attention it deserves in the second season. Jessica Lange was good, but that scene in the beauty shop showed that it's an act that get tired pretty fast. I can still see them carrying over the story with the evil child and her if they wanted, while moving on to another family and set of ghosts...but if not, that's fine too. Overall, from start to finish, good...not great.

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    AMERICAN HORROR STORY Season 2 Preview News

    Here’s a look at some other things you can expect in future seasons:

    Each season of the show will feature a different haunting: a new home, building, prison, etc.
    Each season will feature new principal actors, but previous actors may make appearances as completely different characters with different looks.
    Each season will showcase new creatures and monsters.
    Each season will answer the question of what an American horror can be.
    Each season will explore a new theme, as in the theme of infidelity for season one. (Murphy also commented that a hint to season two’s theme was hidden within the last three episodes of season one. Any thoughts? Check out our recaps to refresh your memory!)
    A DVD boxset of season one will be available, allowing fans to watch the series from the beginning and pick up on clues to the Harmon family’s fate that were present from the outset.
    Stories of true crimes in American will continue to be featured in future episodes.
    Each season will feature a new title sequence that is relative to the theme of that particular season. Murphy commented that he is trying to keep the same music team to keep consistency through the score.
    Now, equally important is what (and who) you won’t see in season two of American Horror Story:

    There won’t be a second “haunted house.”
    The story won’t be set in L.A. and the setting will be very different from the California home.
    You won’t see Connie Britton or Dylan McDermott as the Harmons, though there is a chance they may appear as secondary characters. (Murphy commented on his fondness for the Mercury Theater, which had a cast of rotating actors performing different characters for different plays.)
    There won’t be any vampires! (Murphy expressed this explicitly.)

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    The American Horror Story finale: And they died happily ever after? - HitFix.com

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    For a series that began in such an understandably dark place (check the title), the "AHS" finale was remarkably upbeat most of the way through. Ben dies, but the Harmons turn out to be much happier together in death than they ever were in life, and somehow (in ways the finale mostly avoided dealing with) the three of them plus Moira are able to keep the more hostile ghosts at bay and turn the murder house into a place where they can stay together and keep scaring off the poor living bastards who try to move in. Very odd, though perhaps if I cared about the Harmons more (which the episodes I watched didn't really make me do), I'd have felt weirdly pleased that things turned out as well as can be expected for them under the dire circumstances. Heck, they're even probably better off not having to raise the living baby, given how deeply the DNA of both Tate and the house are imprinted on the little monster.
    And that's a great point. Mondo. you made a great argument about this show establishing rules re:ghosts. Well, the finale' pretty much played fast and loose with that, after all...where were the gay couple who were among the folks who wanted the baby...either baby, both babies? Which, it turns out, were both in play and pretty much up for grabs. Overall it was just too undercooked and uneven. And yeah, the point he makes about the Harmons being unlikeable is something they should address in future seasons(with other characters of course). A nice start overall, let's hope that ideas are a little further fleshed out in upcoming season(s). I do dig that it's going to be some weird type of rotating season long anthology deal though. If they can pull that off it'll be a neat trick. Also, the use of some of the same actors in different parts is a unique and very cool idea.

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