and yes, you're right joy's been around since the beginning. i probably only started watching around 2006-7 once i quit my job so i never watched the object of your affection, ling.
i just remembered, apparently jenny mccarthy is behar's replacement. i wonder how that'll go.
i have never seen springer. just clips of it on other shows. i'm a woman so i'd probably find watching the view to be less embarrassing than getting sucked into watching all the trash that shows up on springer. haha.