Thread: Amy Winehouse-We Hardly Knew Ye

Originally Posted by Blueline

Did she pack the chute?

i don't know.

Originally Posted by gescom

true story... i know this girl who went skydiving. her shoot failed, but she luckily survived.

knowing the potential consequences, was it her fault?

Does skydiving have a plethora of deadly side effects? is it illegal? Does it kill over 60,000 people per year?

You're reaching.

Originally Posted by Jaygokings!

Does skydiving have a plethora of deadly side effects? is it illegal? Does it kill over 60,000 people per year?

You're reaching.

not remotely, but fine, whatever.

as of today, i don't think any of us know the cause of her death. we suspect with great probability on our side that it was related to her lifestyle.

i find the casualness with regard to the potential and highly probable causes for that lifestyle to be disconcerting.

this woman was bi-polar, had an eating disorder and was a heavy user... and some of you can't see a clear mental problem here? she also had COPD to boot.

Originally Posted by gescom

this woman was bi-polar, had an eating disorder and was a heavy user... and some of you can't see a clear mental problem here? she also had COPD to boot.

oh whatever. you're just making excuses. she should've just like quit being so stupid and stopped doing drugs. duh.

Originally Posted by gescom

true story... i know this girl who went skydiving. her shoot failed, but she luckily survived.

knowing the potential consequences, was it her fault?

Of course it was! I'm sure she signed a waiver legally declaring so as well.

I understand 100% how addiction can alter brain chemistry. I understand 100% how certain individuals can do as much as they want and give it up no problem while others do it once and are addicted for life. I also understand the very good point that substance abuse is secondary in the so-called 'disease' of addiction. With all that said, I'm making a personal choice NOT to lump addicts in the same boat as children born with leukemia or other conditions that are acquired innocently. Even someone who has unprotected sex and gets AIDS will get less sympathy from me than those who are born with it or acquired it through blood transfusion. I'm not saying it's not a tragedy but I hope you all get my point.

If you struggle with addiction, get in line because there are a lot of other people in this world who I have far more pity for.

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Amy Winehouse was the proto-typical example of an addicitve personality, it transcended drugs to alcohol and probably the worst of all addictions was the one to her boyfriend, she was as dependant on him as she was for a hit of what ever she was taking.

The orginial argument was intelligence being linked to her and I guess others addicitve personality and that is plain wrong. Are some people seriously suggesting that an addict who decides to get help has basically a higher I.Q. than someone who doesen't?

Originally Posted by Hipcheck

But the facts are there are some people who can and did "just stop." I can personally attest to a couple of times I was able to "just stop."

Im not calling you out or flaming but to me it seems a bit of a cop out that there are people who can just stop, those who can stop through treatment, and those who dont stop have a "disease."

To me its really doing a disservice to the word "disease"....to say Amy Winehouse had a disease is a far cry from the people near and dear who do have actual bonafide medical issues. Especially with recent happenings here at LGK...its like comparing Apples to Handgrenades.

Once again...Im not flaming you but in this area we disagree if not in verbage alone.

No offense taken. I know you're not calling me out. And lets throw weed out of the equation b/c that doesn't even count. I've smoked everyday for years and just stopped b/c I felt that I was smoking too much. I'd take a few months off and then if I wanted to I'd start again. I didn't have any withdrawls.

Now when talking about harder drugs like speed, heroine I think the portion of people who just stop cold turkey after its become a habit is pretty small.

Like you said this is just something that we disagree on and that is cool. But let me throw this your way. I think that we both would agree that addiction and diabetes are for the most part preventable and self inflicted "ailments" (I use that word b/c you don't like disease for addiction, trying to be fair). So.....would calling diabetes a bonafide disease be a disservice to the word "disease" b/c its self inflicted and completely preventable by living a healthy lifestyle?

I get what you are saying and respect it. I just have a different outlook on it. I know that my brother doesn't want to relapse. He went 16 months clean. The longest stretch in 15-20 years. On the surface everything was good, not perfect. I talked to him 36 hours before he relapsed. He was coming up that weekend for our moms birthday. I do believe there is some personal accountability involved here. But are also some serious demons at work here.

Whatever your stance on it is disease, ailment etc....its a tragic, tragic thing that no deserves. The sad truth is that I will probably lose my oldest brother to this. And that is ****ing devastating thing to try and come to grips with.

Originally Posted by Jaygokings!

You could go either way here. I have no stance. Is addiction a disease or not.

Is it merely..bad habits are hard to break? specifically when they involve proven addictive materials? Is it someone that got themselves into a lifestyle that be it by the nature of the materials is hard to get out of?

Or is it a disease/disorder. I know some people are just more prone to addictive behaviors.


To me you can be addicted to anything. That's how the human body works. Just some things are A LOT more addictive then others due to chemicals and such.

Well said. I don't know if they have to be mutually exclusive honestly. But the fact is, after years of addiction the brain chemistry has been changed and parts of the brain just don't function how they used to. But I do firmly believe that the way addiction is treated needs to change. How? I'm not really sure.