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    There isn't just one correct answer/solution for all addicts/self-destructive persons.

    Although I am a huge practitioner of "simplify, simplify, simplify" the roads to self destruction are many and varied: congenital, upbringing, environment, psychological, disease, abuse, family history, work, social.

    So, although I will stand by my earlier statement that to me she was, unequivocally, unable to exercise intelligent behavior, the reason or reasons why she was unable to do so are, at this time, unknown.
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    i mean really, let's say your mom gets lung cancer from her smoking habit. yeah, she could've prevented it, but she was just never able to quit. you really mean to tell me that you wouldn't feel bad for her when she's undergoing treatment, suffering and wasting away? that's what she gets for smoking so ha!

    come on, such an attitude is borderline barbaric. we all have our s***, some of us just end up with a worse outcome.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Goallum View Post
    ... which brings it back to my original perfect humans comment.
    People make mistakes. Absolutely. No one is perfect. But those people that do make mistakes and correct them and fight to correct them and do the right thing...I have more respect for them more then anyone. I have not suffered through anything like you say, drugs, obesity, alcoholism...but I do know that anyone who can experience those things, be at the lowest of lows and come through it alive, well they have the most respect I can offer them.

    But hey, to bring this back to topic, if you are like Winehouse...and you take your own life for granted...time and time again, relapse over and over...you have no respect for yourself, take no steps in bettering your circumstances...at that point it's hard for me to respect you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rcc View Post
    i mean really, let's say your mom gets lung cancer from her smoking habit. yeah, she could've prevented it, but she was just never able to quit. you really mean to tell me that you wouldn't feel bad for her when she's undergoing treatment, suffering and wasting away? that's what she gets for smoking so ha!

    come on, such an attitude is borderline barbaric. we all have our s***, some of us just end up with a worse outcome.
    My mother is a smoker, and I almost expect this scenario to happen at some point. Will I recognize her lifestyle had consequences, this being one of them? Absolutely. Would I vocalize it? No need to. It's not barbaric, it's reality. And each person makes their own decisions on how to live life. Are we barbaric for simply saying a way someone lives is detrimental? And those lifestyles have consequence?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaygokings! View Post
    Are we barbaric for simply saying a way someone lives is detrimental? And those lifestyles have consequence?
    Nope. that's not what i was saying at all.

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    Do some of you really believe that she did what she did "just because she liked to go out and party?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bandit View Post
    Do some of you really believe that she did what she did "just because she liked to go out and party?"

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    Not at all, that was never my point. She had an addiction and couldn't get beyond it. All I have said is that it did start with a choice and therefore should not be thought of as a disease like lukemia, cystic fybrosis or something else that takes so many lives and yet the victims had no control over contracting it.

    I know there is plenty of data that shows an addictive personality has no real control once they start (which is why it often takes friends and family to intervein and save that person) but there was still a decission to start using.

    I guess I'm simply saying although I feel bad for what happened to her, I feel a million times more compasion for the 27 yr old who has Cystic Fibrosis and is struggling to breathe as his life expectancy is near its end.
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    here's another good one.

    Tom Payne: Dead at 27; But the Number Tells Us Almost Nothing About Amy Winehouse the Artist

    A study by Mark Bellis and others, conducted at Liverpool John Moores University, looked at North American and European musicians who had performed in any album on a list of "All-Time Top 1000 albums," and found that they were 1.7 times more likely to die at an early age than the rest of us. The survey suggested that this is caused by "high levels of stress in environments where alcohol and drugs are widely available."

    ...

    In reality, she went to rehab. But, like Billie Holiday before her, she articulated a pain that goes far enough beyond ordinary experience to offer a kind of consolation to anyone who shares any measure of it. Her line, "Tears dry on their own," was so neat that it seemed found rather than planned; as though she had been given a unique understanding of tears.

    So it will be that her very death will appear part of her art, and that very number 27 will become the key note of a narrative that is ultimately not so much inevitable as predictable, even derivative. This, too, will be part of the tragedy. As Paul Gambaccini noted tonight, "We've lost 20 years of great records, and Mitch Winehouse has lost a daughter." There are many reflections that it's the fame she enjoyed and endured that destroyed her.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rcc View Post
    you can be the brightest, most intelligent person in the world but if you're addicted to drugs...
    Mutually.

    Exclusive.

    Why isn't that obvious?

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