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    Quote Originally Posted by Blueline View Post
    I don't buy the "it is a disease" line as well. What it seems like is a lack of common sense (common sense and intelligence are clearly not the same thing) because she was well informed of her issues and the outcome but refused to change what she did. That is a lack of common sense, not a disease.

    Yes, it appears to be harder for some to quit thier destructive behavior than it is for others, but that doesn't make it a disease. People with diseases don't have the options to get better that she had (just stop partying), so is it fair to them to label her in the same way?
    people with certain diseases don't have the option of getting better... myself included.

    addiction is very much a disease as it fits the letter. i reckon many here have known "users," maybe even heavy ones. but dealing with an addict is far different... and dealing with both the mental and visceral responses to specific drugs is even differenter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hipcheck View Post
    Once again....doesnt that do just a bit of disservice to not only the US Citizens whom are being compared to people who committed some of the worst human atrocities in World History but also the millions of murdered and slaughtered victims thereof?? So Mcfarlane has no issues assigning the power of a phrase and term widely used to conjure the most horrific and widely documented example of unrepentant evil to people who may not agree with but when it comes to what is in essence a drug induced suicide from someone who is known for their use of drugs he has a moral code? Im just baffled with that line of thought and agree with KRC in that mcFarlane has said and done things like this on his show that it seems hypocritical for him trying to take any type of moral high ground.
    Do you have a problem with "Soup Nazi"? He's probably a US Citizen too.

    Do you have a problem with right-wingers comparing liberals to "commies" "who committed some of the worst human atrocities in World History"? Isn't that a "disservice to the millions of murdered and slaughtered victims thereof?"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Goallum View Post
    Do you have a problem with "Soup Nazi"? He's probably a US Citizen too.

    Do you have a problem with right-wingers compare liberals to "commies" "who committed some of the worst human atrocities in World History"? Isn't that a "disservice to the millions of murdered and slaughtered victims thereof?"
    You are not only hijacking the thread but missing the point as well. The Soup Nazi was a fictional character and the issue was never and never will be what atrocity was worse. But consider the episode of family guy it happened...Brian and Stewie were in WW2 Nazi Germany and the Nazi Guard was wearing a mccain/palin pin. Seems to me thats exactly what McFarlane was insinuating. For the record-i'm probably contributing to the hijacking at this point as well so well end the dialogue here.

    Feel free to start a Seth McFarlane at Comicon thread if you like.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hipcheck View Post
    You are not only hijacking the thread but missing the point as well.
    You are the one who first brought Palin, McCain, and Nazis into this. And didn't you mention "hypocrisy" in your post? Or did you think you'd just throw that out there, but when I decided to probe your own possible hypocrisy, I'm high-jacking the thread all over sudden?

    But if I'm so addiction-prone (you know, the new synonym for "stoopid") as not to understand what you're saying, please enlighten me.
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    I am not sure if Amy, at any point of her career, regretted or REALLY wanted to shake her addiction. It was the path she chose and she was fully aware of where it was leading to. Plain and simple, she submitted to self-destruction and carried the whole thing out.

    I don't see why is such death a tragedy from any other standpoint than the one where the artist hasn't accomplished as much as he could've had if he had some years left.

    But seriously, who are we to judge her as a person?

    This is the time to celebrate the things she had done and forget about the ones she didn't. Because, junkie or not, she was an exceptional artist who left her mark in the field she was active in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hipcheck View Post
    The Soup Nazi was a fictional character and the issue was never and never will be what atrocity was worse. But consider the episode of family guy it happened...Brian and Stewie were in WW2 Nazi Germany and the Nazi Guard was wearing a mccain/palin pin. Seems to me thats exactly what McFarlane was insinuating. For the record-i'm probably contributing to the hijacking at this point as well so well end the dialogue here.

    Feel free to start a Seth McFarlane at Comicon thread if you like.
    The Soup Nazi is based on a very real person that was and still is called exactly that by real life New Yorkers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gescom View Post
    people with certain diseases don't have the option of getting better... myself included.

    addiction is very much a disease as it fits the letter. i reckon many here have known "users," maybe even heavy ones. but dealing with an addict is far different... and dealing with both the mental and visceral responses to specific drugs is even differenter.
    You kinda make my point here. People do quit using, it may be harder for some than others but it CAN be done. You however can't just quit having Cystic Fibrosis, Cancer, Multiple Sclerosis, etc.

    So how does that fit the letter? If you could get better by simply not doing something that common sense tells you is bad, you would. Unless there is a total lack of common sense involved. Addition is powerful, but only a lack of common sense makes it deadly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Goallum View Post
    The Soup Nazi is based on a very real person that was and still is called exactly that by real life New Yorkers.
    Thats fine but the point is on the TV show Seinfeld he was a fictional character with the reference being he was "nazi-like" in regards to his soup with no attention paid at all to anything politically. In Family Guy the insinuation was that McCain/Palin political opinions were akin to Nazism.

    Just a bit of a difference no?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blueline View Post
    You kinda make my point here. People do quit using, it may be harder for some than others but it CAN be done. You however can't just quit having Cystic Fibrosis, Cancer, Multiple Sclerosis, etc.

    So how does that fit the letter? If you could get better by simply not doing something that common sense tells you is bad, you would. Unless there is a total lack of common sense involved. Addition is powerful, but only a lack of common sense makes it deadly.
    There are different categories of diseases. Including curable, treatable and incurable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hipcheck View Post
    Thats fine but the point is on the TV show Seinfeld he was a fictional character with the reference being he was "nazi-like" in regards to his soup with no attention paid at all to anything politically. In Family Guy the insinuation was that McCain/Palin political opinions were akin to Nazism.

    Just a bit of a difference no?
    McCain has political opinions? LOL. Anyhow, I thought we were done with this discussion, so I'll just leave it there (sorry, couldn't resist the McCain quip, feel free to mod it out).

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