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    Okay, so did the recent slip up by Redford possibly set up a "Civil War" type story line for Avengers 2????? How awesome would that be...a CIVIL WAR movie!!!

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    I loved the Mandarin twist.
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    IRON MAN 3 China-Only Scenes Turned into Short Film for American Audiences | Collider

    Ok...so to get the conversation rolling as far as spoilery Iron Man 3 stuff

    Too much Pepper Potts...just don't care. And shoehorning her into the action at the end was sad.

    I love Don Cheadle. NOT as War Machine. I read a review that said he should have been Stark's accountant. Man, if that ain't true? So passion free. He is capable of much better. I have to figure he was forced on Black and his disinterest shows in both the use of Iron Patriot(ugggh) and direction of Cheadle

    The twist with the Mandarin was terribly clever/funny. BUT it completely neutered the movie. Pearce's Killitch was not strong enough an adversary. He was poorly conceived and executed. Pre-comic relief, the Mandarin was not only a very credible take on a difficult character to translate, but also a seriously frightening threat...it was something special. And you need a strong villain to make a strong movie. Once he became Trevor, you really had nothing to fear.

    TOO DAMNED MANY IRON MEN. Look, Shane Black clearly is not a superhero movie kind of guy. Too busy being clever to resolve a strong villain, and no concept of how a concluding 'boss scene' should take place between the HERO and the VILLAIN. That ending was just a frikking 'superheroes on ice' segment almost Schumaker like in its over complexity. Everything suspended in the air, set on fire with indistinguishable empty IM suits flying/blasting/exploding...just too busy and trying to generate drama by taking the kitchen sink approach.

    What was with the bad DoubleDragon/Iron Fist tatts on Killian???? That was unexplained and distracting.

    Just another movie where the superhero(meaning main character in his costume) part covers about 10 total minutes. Thanks Chris Nolan.

    Its funny that they are pandering to China with this...because it really is equivalent to that old joke...a half hour after watching this it slid right out of memory. As the days went by I found myself getting angrier with it and liking it less and less.

    so, lets chat guys.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Naysay View Post
    I loved the Mandarin twist.
    I enjoyed it too...BUT it ended the movie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jerseydevil View Post
    I enjoyed it too...BUT it ended the movie.
    I agree that the ending was bleh and they didn't know how to finish the flick... but I think it could have very easily been accomplished and frankly I'm just used to the ends of Super Hero movies sucking balls because.....

    let's face it........

    it's all pretty preposterous and we all know the good guys are coming out unscathed. So...................... who cares?

    You seem to dislike the fact that the actual "supersuits" don't show up much in modern superhero movies... but I love it.

    I'm FAR more interested in RDJ Tony Stark than I am in CGIron Man and I was much more interested in Bruce Wayne Begins than I was in the Dark Knight Rises Batman.

    As usual I think it's all about expectations and what the movie is reaching for. I went into CGIron Man 3 expecting to really enjoy RDJ and his chemistry with everybody, see some 'splosions and find out what's up with The Mandarin.

    Turns out I still love RDJ, I still love 'splosions and I still love Ben Kingsley completely subverting my expectations about what I thought was going to be a pretty standardly boring piece of **** villain.

    And in retrospect here's another opportunity they missed.

    To help explain the lack of Captain America, Hawkeye, Black Widow et al....... instead of JUST sending the Iron Patriot overseas hunting down the Mandarin they could have spent 90 seconds making it a full blown global man hunt for a guy that, it turns out, didn't really exist.

    You would acknowledge the expanded MARVEL film Universe while simultaneously explaining why they weren't present for the abduction of THE PRESIDENT OF THE GODDAMNED UNITED STATES OF MOTHER ****ING AMERICA.

    But other than that I have no thoughts on the matter. Right now. I think.

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    I just think that the ratio of RDJCGIM to RDJsleepwalking thru a movie should have been a little more close. The whole middle act with the kid was ridiculous. How come he never faced danger from the shrapnel when his power got so low? And the postscript. Oh, let's just take the shrapnel out...

    WHAT THE ****? So he chose to fly around with the threat to his life???? I get your complaints about the logic in these movies, but there is a point where enough is too much. This movie had one trick that the whole house of cards was predicated on...and that was the Mandarin. Everything else was a hollow construct so that Shane Black could pull off his little sleight of hand. So, when you remove that and actually look at everything else...this movie was barely thought out. Every character a plot device and a poor one at that. Maybe that's why RDJ seemed disinterested...Don Cheadle seemed like he was doing his grocery list mentally. At least Pearce TRIED to chew scenery but his character was so wafer thin that it had no weight whatsoever. James Badge Dale as his henchmen actually came off the best of the whole lot. He seemed engaged most of the time. But explain to me how you have GREAT character actors like William Sadler and Miguel Ferrer and do NOTHING with them Miguel Ferrer barely had a grunted monosyllabic line. And the Christmas motif in the beginning of summer was about as ridiculous as it gets.
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    I get all that and I won't argue a bit of it.

    But...

    Iron Man...................



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    Quote Originally Posted by jerseydevil View Post
    Ok...so to get the conversation rolling as far as spoilery Iron Man 3 stuff

    Too much Pepper Potts...just don't care. And shoehorning her into the action at the end was sad.

    I love Don Cheadle. NOT as War Machine. I read a review that said he should have been Stark's accountant. Man, if that ain't true? So passion free. He is capable of much better. I have to figure he was forced on Black and his disinterest shows in both the use of Iron Patriot(ugggh) and direction of Cheadle

    The twist with the Mandarin was terribly clever/funny. BUT it completely neutered the movie. Pearce's Killitch was not strong enough an adversary. He was poorly conceived and executed. Pre-comic relief, the Mandarin was not only a very credible take on a difficult character to translate, but also a seriously frightening threat...it was something special. And you need a strong villain to make a strong movie. Once he became Trevor, you really had nothing to fear.

    TOO DAMNED MANY IRON MEN. Look, Shane Black clearly is not a superhero movie kind of guy. Too busy being clever to resolve a strong villain, and no concept of how a concluding 'boss scene' should take place between the HERO and the VILLAIN. That ending was just a frikking 'superheroes on ice' segment almost Schumaker like in its over complexity. Everything suspended in the air, set on fire with indistinguishable empty IM suits flying/blasting/exploding...just too busy and trying to generate drama by taking the kitchen sink approach.

    What was with the bad DoubleDragon/Iron Fist tatts on Killian???? That was unexplained and distracting.
    You nailed it thus far, as far as pointing out the flaws. The mandarin storyline had a funny payoff, but ultimately they exchanged a strong villain with another generic superhuman with bad intentions and questionable motivation. Don Cheadle/Iron Patriot and Potts were meh. The Iron Man army was somewhat interesting visually, but ultimately not engaging at all and dragged on forever.

    Quote Originally Posted by jerseydevil View Post
    Just another movie where the superhero(meaning main character in his costume) part covers about 10 total minutes. Thanks Chris Nolan.
    That was a big plus for me, I find Tony Stark way more interesting than Iron Man. When he's in the suit it's probably gonna be an action scene and while it is nice to have those every now and then, they get boring quickly. One thing that was kind of clever was how they made fun of the old cliché of having a kid help the hero out, eventually forming a partnership of some sort. Instead Stark essentially told him to **** off which I found amusing.

    But like I said in a previous post, the movie is somewhat entertaining but absolutely flawed and quite forgettable. It's alright.

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    Thought IronWoman was lame. Liked Guy Pearce as bad guy on fire better when Kevin Bacon did it in X Men.

    I thought the Mandarin twist was clever if only because it was something you weren't expecting. Having said that, it totally took the balls out of the film and made it just Sam Rockwell Returns but with more charm and weird tattoos. "Hey guys I'm Tony Starks demons from 1999 that he created....but, you know...the same demons he had in the last movie."

    They really could have made the Mandarin an ACTUAL baddie that RDJ had to find and confront without the twist of it all. Would have made for a more interesting villain.

    Did I mention that I thought IronWoman was really stupid? I mean, REALLY stupid?

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