January 5th, 2013, 10:35 PM #71
without getting into who's a sellout and who isn't, since i think the definition isn't as simple as it seems... i believe in musical evolution (how to define that depends) and a desire to make money off what makes you happy. what i don't believe in is singing about/against giving in to the man, capitalism, etc. and then turning around and making every quick buck you can. even then, tommy gabel/laura jane grace said it well when she said it's pretty f***ing nice when you can afford the equipment to make the music you want to make.
btw, that AFI album crash love was a giant disappointment that sucked donkey balls, but i sensed it coming. i like their stuff from answer that through art of drowning. i tolerated STS and decemberunderground fine, but my excitement for them started dropping off somewhere around that point.
January 6th, 2013, 01:39 AM #72
That first album (especially "Topaz") sprung directly from Gregg Rolie and Neal Schon's time with Santana during the period where Santana III and Caravanserai were recorded, and the band was moving into their jazz-rock period (which continued after Rolie and Schon left to form Journey). That opening effort was pretty cutting edge at the time.
We all know what happened once Steven Perry signed on...
January 6th, 2013, 03:45 AM #73
Never bothered to check out Blaqk Audio. I have no problem with electronic music, I just don't really enjoy it by itself. I enjoy it more when it's mixed in with rock or heavier forms of music, or even some types of pop occasionally. Maybe I should give Blaqk Audio a listen though, it couldn't hurt.
Originally Posted by xLAxKingsx
January 6th, 2013, 04:51 PM #74
You call Load, Reload and St Anger musical progression? REALLY!?!?
Originally Posted by UnholyGoalie
January 6th, 2013, 05:02 PM #75
You're saying that like KISS is a real band
Originally Posted by ianmonsta
January 7th, 2013, 09:58 AM #76
I feel they dropped off STS lyrically that album was just ****ing great. But after that **** dropped bad.
Originally Posted by lunchbox
Give it a try their first album cex cells is ****ing solid all the way thru.
Originally Posted by Palffy3314
January 7th, 2013, 02:39 PM #77
He made the change before the hippies were around, but many in the folk movement considered him a major sellout. I have trouble listing any artist as a sellout. The particular artist may or may not be relevant to me, but that doesn't mean it isn't to someone else. If I don't like it, I just won't listen.
Originally Posted by C. Marshall
January 7th, 2013, 03:16 PM #78
Donnie and Marie, after that 3rd album they were sellouts.
January 7th, 2013, 04:15 PM #79
how does that quote go...
Originally Posted by lunchbox
"If you're not a rebel at the age of twenty, you've got no heart. But if you haven't turned establishment by thirty, you've got no brains..."
January 7th, 2013, 05:34 PM #80
To be fair, I never really listened to those albums.
Originally Posted by mark1178
I think a lot of this depends on when you were introduced to said band. I first heard Metallica at the Black Album period and loved it. In fact, Metallica and GNR were the two bands that first got me into hard rock/metal. And though I'd heard One before, it wasn't until years later that I listened to Master of Puppets, Ride the Lightning, etc. So I went from thinking, "Hey Metallica is cool" to thinking, "Yeah, but their old stuff is friggin' awesome!" It made that transition easier to remain a fan, as opposed to hearing them progress from first album on.