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    Quote Originally Posted by orpheus View Post
    It's really hard to make a Wonder Woman anything, and it's a shame, because I like the character, but she is always mishandled.

    I dunno if Whedon would had been able to do it. Maybe. I would rather have no WW film than a bad one.
    WW is mishandled because she is a horrible character to try to adapt for a non comic book audience. She skirts the line between cheesecake and hero and, of course, any modern attempt to package her is going to go the opposite direction, overly apologizing for what her character really is...an Amazonian. With all of the outdated principles that don't fit into the modern feminist world...ya wanna help me here BoobyTrap????

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    Quote Originally Posted by jerseydevil View Post
    WW is mishandled because she is a horrible character to try to adapt for a non comic book audience. She skirts the line between cheesecake and hero and, of course, any modern attempt to package her is going to go the opposite direction, overly apologizing for what her character really is...an Amazonian. With all of the outdated principles that don't fit into the modern feminist world...ya wanna help me here BoobyTrap????
    Don't ask teh Boobytrapz because it will end in tears.

    Ok, so I have a worthless degree in Psychology, lol, and one of the things that I learned was that the dude who invented the lie detector was one of the creators of WW. He felt that most of the boys who were reading comics needed a mother figure since most of the comic book characters at the time were male and as such, he felt compelled to create a female comic book character. The problem, however, is that most of the people who wrote her stories were male and just couldn't write women characters. It's like white guys trying to write black characters like Cage. Sweet Christmas?

    Anyways, we got a WW that ended up being a male fetish. Just how many times was she tied up on the cover during the early days? A lot.

    She is the type of character that is hard because she NEEDS to be sexy. But at the same time needs to be represented as an actual woman and not just eye candy and that is a combination that is hard to get. Can she be a feminist icon? Well she has been to a certain degree, but she needs to be both realistic and sexy, well, because she has the inherent drive to be an idealized version of female beauty.

    Did I tell you guys that I am nerd!

    The recent animated WW film, have any of you peeps seen it? It's really good!

    Love WW! Hahah! I have a WW notebook that I carry around lame Cal Poly! Lol! :D
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    Orph...you are a helluva nerd. Well done.

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    Bill Sienkiewicz And Frank Miller’s Wonder Woman: Bondage

    Bill Sienkiewicz agreed to provide a little context now it was out in the open. He told me


    Frank and I were jazzed about working together again. We were up for doing another series and churning the waters on on some old DC character, as he’d done with Dark Knight.




    Wonder Woman seemed like a pretty good choice. She been simultaneously revered and handled poorly in some incarnations. To me she’s always been a ‘”symbol” more than a character that has been well-utilized in a story context. The most interesting stuff was the earliest – and felt the ripest for revisiting.


    The fact that her creator William Marston also created the precursor to the lie detector and was into bondage lent a weird kinky vibe and made the idea of mucking with her and her origin a potentially fun trip.


    The image was done by me to visually test the water, so to speak and my own comfort level, if not everyone else’s, about how far it could be pushed. I did some others that were far more extreme, no one has seen those, this one was relatively tame by comparison. Still it was perhaps a bit over the top, but I think Frank and I invited that. So was the idea for the series in very basic broad stroke discussions between Frank and I , with some input from then-DC editor Bob Schreck. The piece was never intended to be seen by anyone else, but of course , someone bought the original , and despite assurances from everyone who had seen the piece that they would not pass it along ( I should have known better, it was too provocative NOT to make the rounds)… ah well, so it goes.


    But as for actually doing the series – who knows?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jerseydevil View Post
    I understand your p.o.v. Let's face it, she is damaged goods. But I find sympathy in her troubled past and I am proud that she got her head out of her ass and, when it was needed most, she reedeemed herself. YES redeemed. When Colin turned into her Mother, and she knew it wasn't really her mother, yet she had that 'moment of clarity' where she understood her sins and i.m.o. did penance, I pardoned her for her ****ty behaviour. As a lapsed Catholic maybe I have a soft spot for 'wounded birds', but your inflexible/unforgiving attitude is troubling. So, even the worst failure as a human being cannot ever redeem themself? Once a gameplaying whore always a gameplaying whore. Harsh world view to have. Yet you admire Cinderella, who has a lot of the same character arc, without the self loathing and regret. She delights in manipulating men. No apologies. Hurm.
    That's a good argument, and I'd really have no problems with her had she not messed with Blue. When she did that, she crossed the line and I declared war. Blue is good and virtuous and bad ass AND SHE WENT AND MARRIED SINBAD? What? Because he was all ****ing shiny and new. Geezus...I hated her so much right there. And then the bitch dumps Sinbad and tries to get with Blue in his moment of death. Even though Blue ate it, I just LOVE how he told her to pretty much go **** off. Yes, he deserves so much better. Like, a really hot asian fable that will kick Rose Red's ass.

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    And that is a good argument as well. I get it now that the betrayal of Blue was a sticking point and not as much a condemnation of her but more of a defense of Blue. Ok, we are cool little sis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jerseydevil View Post
    And that is a good argument as well. I get it now that the betrayal of Blue was a sticking point and not as much a condemnation of her but more of a defense of Blue. Ok, we are cool little sis.
    Yeah, cause I liked her before the whole blue thing went down. I am currently reading the 15 tpb and she's now picked herself up and is not as annoying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jerseydevil View Post
    WW is mishandled because she is a horrible character to try to adapt for a non comic book audience. She skirts the line between cheesecake and hero and, of course, any modern attempt to package her is going to go the opposite direction, overly apologizing for what her character really is...an Amazonian. With all of the outdated principles that don't fit into the modern feminist world...ya wanna help me here BoobyTrap????
    Um....here goes....

    She can show her ass and bewbs as much as she wants. Just make her hate men. A LOT. And think them inferior. 'Nuff said. (And yes, I watched and loved Xena: Warrior Princess).

    Was that good? Did I get it right?

    Bottom line is, David E. Kelley, though I like some of his other stuff, should be kicked in the balls for trying to make WW into ****ing Ally McBeal.

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    Wonder Woman has been done excellently in the comics the last couple of years by Greg Rucka and Gail Simone. Rucka's run, especially, gave me an admiration and respect for the character I never had before.

    I think it CAN be done and I think DC/Warner is ****ing stupid for not GETTING it done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by adgy-san View Post
    Wonder Woman has been done excellently in the comics the last couple of years by Greg Rucka and Gail Simone. Rucka's run, especially, gave me an admiration and respect for the character I never had before.

    I think it CAN be done and I think DC/Warner is ****ing stupid for not GETTING it done.
    I can't remember. Dont' I hate Gail Simone? Isn't she the one that wrote the Birds of Prey trades that I wanted to throw in the trash?

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