Sorry, I recently watched Transformers The Movie.
And yet we're so bored with Man of Steel that we're talking about this movie again.
I also have no problem with choreographed fight scenes and found the first one between Bane and Batman to be pretty exciting. Beats the hell out of CGI fight sequences where guys get launched fifty feet with one punch. Sorry, but that doesn't impress me. The same reason the Darth Maul fight scene in The Phantom Menace was infinitely better than any other fight scene that came after it.
Having said all that, I would say that I like the first two movies a little better. Still love it though. Batman Begins has become a really underrated movie in this series.
I know it's a common complaint to say "There's no Batman in this Batman movie!" or "Iron Man is only on screen for 5 minutes boo hoo!!!" but the reality is that most movies that last and resonate do so because people like the characters.
Even movies like ID4 are memorable more for the corny one liners and slapstick than they are for the White House blowing up.
ANY movie can have the White House blowing up.
Not every movie can have Will Smith punching out an Alien and saying "Welcome to Earth!"
Or have Christian Bale or Robert Downey Jr. be awesome for 2 hours.
I had this fight with a friend of mine who said Superman was an intrinsically boring and stupid character.... I thought about it. I agree with him.
SUPERMAN is boring.
CLARK KENT is a character with infinite possibilities. Man of Steel has no Clark Kent in it. Not really.
Waitaminnit? Did you just use Independance Day as a barometer of things done well. C'mon...that movie was fun...but hoo boy was it caca.
And you are right. Superman sucked because he didn't growl. All of the action scenes in TDKR are clumsy. That chase on the motorcycles...the rooftop fight...it's like Herr Nolan thought it beneath him. The Superman fights were just way better. Take away whatever you want...but damn the fighting was intense in Supes.
And come on....
Independence Day is a GREAT MOVIE so long as you add the caveat "For what it was."
It knew EXACTLY what it was, had zero pretense and enjoyed itself the entire way. Yes it's a crappy "film" but it's a totally memorable "movie".
Twenty years from now I won't remember Man of Steel with the glee with which I remember Independence Day. Sure some of that is probably the fact that I was 17 when ID4 came out... but still.....
Welcome to Earth.
EDIT : Would it have killed Man of Steel to have Kal El punch Zod in the face and say "Welcome to Earth!"? I think not.
This is where I disagree with you JD. I don't think the fight scenes were more intense in MOS. Why? Because of three reasons. First, what I've repeated many times, there was too much of it. When there is that much action/fight scenes, it all gets watered down with none of it really standing out. Second, another thing I've repeated and to Doc's point. I didn't care about the characters in MOS so the fight scenes are just fight scenes between two people I don't care about. Last but not least, CGI vs two actors fighting each other. I don't care that it looks choreographed. Rocky IV had the most choreographed and ridiculous fight scene in history but you can't tell me it didn't kick all kinds of ass. And it still holds up. In 10 years, we'll look at the MOS fights and laugh. The sewer fight between Bane and Batman was more intense than anything in that movie.
Nasti and I will never agree. I would take Supes whiz bang cgi...and remember who you are talking to here...I am not a fan of cgi, over TDKR's 'oh let's get this over with' action scenes. I liken it to Freddie Vs Jason, where the end of that movie just turned into a fist fight. Really???? The Bane/Batman scenes were like that to me. And the Batbike chase leading to the Bat appearance felt like I was watching that travelling Batman roadshow that went town to town. The Zod/Supes fight was 2 GODS going toe to toe. That was certainly more comic book-y and YES DAMMNIT I want comic book values in my comic book movies.