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    Quote Originally Posted by jerseydevil View Post
    And no Adgy. Fight Club is Fincher's best followed in lock step as a 1a/1b by Seven. Zodiac is a distant third.
    Nertz to that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NastiMarvasti View Post
    I'll answer for them. It's a comic book movie that isn't mind-numbing with its overuse of special effects and cheap one-liners. TDKR isn't like all other comic films which makes it pretentious. How dare someone to go for something different. Blasphemy!
    I totally disagree with this statement.

    TDKR is EXACTLY like all other comic book films.

    Full of plot holes, logical impossibilities and scenes that make no narrative or cognitive sense but exist merely to emotionally manipulate the audience, sell a toy or move the plot "forward". What makes it pretentious is that it pretends it's NOT all those things by being overly long, maudlin and yes a little preachy at times. Maybe it's the fan base that I'm reacting to more than the actual movie but the notion that the "idea" of the films was that "anybody can be Batman" is A) totally bogus B)an invention of the last film and C)did I mention it's totally bogus?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jerseydevil View Post
    And I will counterpoint...it's a superhero movie, not about superheroes, that revels in its gritty realistic depiction of folks who wear underoos over their trousers, starring maybe one of the most annoying ' I am an ARTISTE' actors whose bunghole is clenched so tight he can turn coal into diamonds.

    And no Adgy. Fight Club is Fincher's best followed in lock step as a 1a/1b by Seven. Zodiac is a distant third.
    I found our next debatathon. Fight Club was certainly NOT Fincher's best movie and IMO is a bit overrated. Se7en and Zodiac are close for me but the actual direction of Zodiac was masterful and one of the most impressive I've seen in many years. By far, Fincher's best and most difficult directing job.
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    I won't even debate this. I will go as far as the say Panic Room may have been better than Zodiac. Zodiac just had some real nice performances but it was fairly straightforward. I like(and miss) Fincher's unusual touches like all the micro breakdowns in FightClub(the refrigerator scene f'rinstance). Hell, I still think Alien3 was hella good just because of the zooming close up camera shots. It's a matter of taste, but I think you and Adgy are judging more by substance than style, which is fine...but for me, especially in Fight Club, Fincher's STYLE was the substance.


    Plus...Brad Pitt is dreamy
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    Zodiac is like a 3 part movie. One part focuses on the killings, one part on Ruffalo and Edwards, and one part on Gyllenhaal and RDJ. And throughout the movie, you're in this world of obsession (what the movie is really about) and procedural work that very few directors could actually make interesting. All the while you're absorbed in the 1960's and 70's with typical Fincher flare. The choice of Hurdy Gurdy Man as sort of a theme song was one of many great musical choices in the film. I could go on but I'm going off topic, yet again. My apologies. I'll just say that I love Zodiac as much, if not more, than anything Nolan's ever done. That's how I feel about that movie.
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    And that's fine...it's all subjective. But the yardstick I go by...and this is my opinion solely, is that Seven/Fight Club were HIGHLY stylized movies, that, if you remove Fincher and substitute ______ are going to be entirely different in the hands of whatever _____ you choose. For me, Zodiac was a product of its script, moreso than the choice of director. Not saying any hack could duplicate, but the right director could/would have made a similar or perhaps even better movie. I just think Fincher has turned down his peronalized touches and style and become more of a mainstream film maker. Once again...solely my opinion.

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    Can we agree that The Curious Case of Benjamin Button was trash?

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    Not without it's merits...I had forgotten that one. I know I was really off put by it the first time I watched. I think I need a rewatch before I can sign off on that. Once again though...probably gonna like that a little more than Zodiac simply because, if I remember directly, it's more of a creative challenge.

    See, you can't have it both ways. Not to draw a line in the sand, but you denigrate RDJ because you think he is playing down to his material lately. For me, I feel the same re:Fincher. There are some parallels here. I do remember BB being visually interesting, so you have to weigh the failure of the material against the creativity of the director. It's style vs substance inna nutshell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jerseydevil View Post
    Not without it's merits...I had forgotten that one. I know I was really off put by it the first time I watched. I think I need a rewatch before I can sign off on that. Once again though...probably gonna like that a little more than Zodiac simply because, if I remember directly, it's more of a creative challenge.

    See, you can't have it both ways. Not to draw a line in the sand, but you denigrate RDJ because you think he is playing down to his material lately. For me, I feel the same re:Fincher. There are some parallels here. I do remember BB being visually interesting, so you have to weigh the failure of the material against the creativity of the director. It's style vs substance inna nutshell.
    I don't know. I feel like Zodiac was very much in Fincher's style. Maybe it wasn't as in-your-face as Fight Club, but it's definitely there. I also feel like there's a fine line between over-stylized vs stylized. Zodiac, to me, showed Fincher's maturity as a filmmaker. The way he would show a passage of time or the murder scenes (especially the first one). But then there were many subtle choices along the way that I don't think he would have made years before. It's those subtle choices that made the movie so creepy. ie. when the cops interrogate Arthur Leigh Allen for the first time.

    I agree that BB was visually interesting and probably the most Batmany as far as how Gotham looked on screen. But I do understand why Nolan wanted to go bigger in the other two. It's kind of like comparing it to Burton's movies. They were visually cool, but you could tell they were on a sound stage which automatically made the movie smaller. It's tough to make a movie look grand on a sound stage so he went the Richard Donner route. Not saying one is better than the other. Just that he wanted to do it one way and chose accordingly. He went small for BB because he wasn't confident as an action director yet.
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    I guess that I just don't care for Fincher as a mature filmmaker. I won't even see Social Network/Gal with...because I just prefer the visual Fincher that doesn't really exist anymore. For me it is comparable to f'rinstance, Terry Gilliam directing 2 and 1/2 men. Sure...he'd do it well, but it wouldn't be what made him great in the first place. I think that in the hands of almost anyone else Fight Club would have been a complete disaster. He made that material whole thru sheer visual weightlifting.

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