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    Christopher Nolan Talks about the Ending of THE DARK KNIGHT RISES and More | Collider

    CHRISTOPHER NOLAN: For me, The Dark Knight Rises is specifically and definitely the end of the Batman story as I wanted to tell it, and the open-ended nature of the film is simply a very important thematic idea that we wanted to get into the movie, which is that Batman is a symbol. He can be anybody, and that was very important to us. Not every Batman fan will necessarily agree with that interpretation of the philosophy of the character, but for me it all comes back to the scene between Bruce Wayne and Alfred in the private jet in Batman Begins, where the only way that I could find to make a credible characterization of a guy transforming himself into Batman is if it was as a necessary symbol, and he saw himself as a catalyst for change and therefore it was a temporary process, maybe a five-year plan that would be enforced for symbolically encouraging the good of Gotham to take back their city. To me, for that mission to succeed, it has to end, so this is the ending for me, and as I say, the open-ended elements are all to do with the thematic idea that Batman was not important as a man, he’s more than that. He’s a symbol, and the symbol lives on.

    This is a statement I strongly disagree with, and I think while the sentiment is nice, it ignores the plot that has come before. Batman may be a symbol, but for a director who stresses the reality of the world he’s created, Bruce Wayne’s training is essential. It’s the entire first act of Batman Begins. It’s why Batman isn’t a guy wearing hockey pads. Batman couldn’t be anyone. He could only be someone who was physically fit and had access to serious resources. That’s the reality.
    Which I believe was the opinion that the Good Doctor and I were arguing...

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    Quote Originally Posted by jerseydevil View Post
    Christopher Nolan Talks about the Ending of THE DARK KNIGHT RISES and More | Collider



    Which I believe was the opinion that the Good Doctor and I were arguing...
    So what you're saying is that a guy who, lets say has been a cop for several years who, hypothetically would have been trained in hand to hand combat, who might be young, who, i don't know, has a strong moral fiber, all he'd need was access to those same resources that Bruce Wayne had? Like, if he suddenly got all that stuff like a Batcave and those vehicles and those weapons...that he could be Batman too? Well, pssh...that's too far fetched.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmytheKing View Post
    So what you're saying is that a guy who, lets say has been a cop for several years who, hypothetically would have been trained in hand to hand combat, who might be young, who, i don't know, has a strong moral fiber, all he'd need was access to those same resources that Bruce Wayne had? Like, if he suddenly got all that stuff like a Batcave and those vehicles and those weapons...that he could be Batman too? Well, pssh...that's too far fetched.
    Hand to hand combat is far different than the martial arts that Batman has mastered. It's like saying that a well kept Nissan can compete in a race with a Lambourghini. So, a street cop who works out for 40 minutes a day is comparable to a guy with unlimited resources practicing in foreign lands with masters of disciplines. The zip lining, the dropping from out of nowhere, and things like that are just so easy that any in shape dude can do them? No. You are oversimplifying. If you want to say that the random guy could be a streetfighting guy in a costume...ok, see Super, Defendor etc. A far cry from Batman. I want TDKR to play out 30 more minutes when JGL goes out for his first action and breaks his skull wide open because he tries to do what The Batman did. It's apples and oranges.

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