Thread: The Dark Knight Rises -- spoiler discussion

Originally Posted by NastiMarvasti

Stopped reading after he bashed the animated series.

I'm pretty sure the whole thing is meant as a joke.

Originally Posted by Dr. Naysay

I'm pretty sure the whole thing is meant as a joke.

Oh. Well like I said, I stopped reading.

Originally Posted by adgy-san

I don't necessarily disagree with any of this, but... is it a problem if it is all just basically the same?

Originally Posted by Dr. Naysay

Nope.

I want to amend my nope....


It's not a problem... BUT....

it means that ultimately it's just another "Comic Book Movie". It's a very pretty and very nice "Comic Book Movie" but ultimately it fails to "transcend" the genre. That's not a "problem" per se... but I had hopes that it might.

Originally Posted by Dr. Naysay

I want to amend my nope....


It's not a problem... BUT....

it means that ultimately it's just another "Comic Book Movie". It's a very pretty and very nice "Comic Book Movie" but ultimately it fails to "transcend" the genre. That's not a "problem" per se... but I had hopes that it might.

Generally speaking, I agree, although Nolan's abilities as a director (if not a storyteller) give it some of that transcendentalism. Just by sheer force of being so goddamn well done.

Originally Posted by adgy-san

Generally speaking, I agree, although Nolan's abilities as a director (if not a storyteller) give it some of that transcendentalism. Just by sheer force of being so goddamn well done.

I would have agreed... but there were just too many conventional "comic book movie" type moments/macguffins/plot holes in it for me.

To me it just makes The Avengers and now The Dark Knight Rises the king of pinnacle achievements in a genre that I'm growing less and less fond of as I get older.

The Dark Knight Rises could have been the movie we needed but instead it opted to be the movie we deserve.

Does ‘Dark Knight Rises’ Contradict ‘The Dark Knight’?

Originally Posted by bob8880

I havent read the comics but i heard Blake was a combination of the different Robins while still being a unique character. Grayson was a cop and Drake figured out Batmans identity?

Ok...lemme chime in here because, well...you know.

1. Dick Grayson was an orphan that became a cop when he was Nightwing. Blake was an orphan that became a cop...then (probably) became either Robin or Nightwing.
2. Yes, Tim Drake figured out who Batman and Robin were, and that's how he became Robin.
3. I don't think Jason Todd figures anything into this. (he was killed by the Joker and was the 2nd Robin)
4. None of their names were used because then EVERYBODY would have known who he was from the beginning. Granted, some of us kinda knew anyway, but I guarantee the vast majority of the population had no clue.
5. I liked the new origin of this "Robin" because it seemed more realistic than having a 12 year old kid fighting at your side in Nolan's Gotham. That, and I like Joseph Gordon Levitt.
6. I'm still pissed that they didn't call me for that roll. But that would have given away who the character was too, so I might forgive Mr. Nolan for that oversight.
7. I feel sorry for the poor bastard that does the next Batman "reboot".
8. The Superman trailer before the movie looked badass! But before they showed the kid in the cape, they showed a boat, a lighthouse, and the ocean. Am I the only one that thought "No way...an Aquaman movie"?

Originally Posted by bob8880

Soooo.. Next Batman, Robin or Nightwing?

More than any holes in the flick, this was my main question.

So instead of just stating over and over how terrible Alfreds role was in this, why don't you actually give an opinion on how it should have been done.