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    Finally got to see this on X-Mas. I enjoyed it quite a bit, but I share a lot of JD's complaints. It's a bit much.

    Than again, I'm sure all three installments will make truckloads of money...

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    I saw it a couple of days ago in 24fps normal and thought it was great. Sure there are parts of it that you could do without but who cares? The fact is that Tolkien's work is not even remotely "cinematic" so elements had to be added....just like LOR. Loved it.

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    I saw it christmas day at 24fps and thought it was pretty good. The cinematography was top notch, though Jackson continues to disappoint/mystify with his altering of the written history of middle earth. Whatever he gleaned from the appendices he used to good effect, and I expect to see lots more in the next two movies. There were a few references though, that one might find confusing if not really familiar with the histories. All in all, I am looking forward to the next one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by motalare View Post
    I saw it christmas day at 24fps and thought it was pretty good. The cinematography was top notch, though Jackson continues to disappoint/mystify with his altering of the written history of middle earth. Whatever he gleaned from the appendices he used to good effect, and I expect to see lots more in the next two movies. There were a few references though, that one might find confusing if not really familiar with the histories. All in all, I am looking forward to the next one.
    Good point. The whole diversion in Middle Earth/Elfland that seemed to be some retro attempt to shoehorn in LOTR...well, now that I think about it, I should have gone to the pisser. Other than Christopher Lee's magnificence...who cares. I was looking forward to the Hobbit SIMPLY because it wasn't LOTR. Meanwhile Jackson did everything he could to turn it into same. I stiil wish Guillermo had stayed with it. Gotta think he woulda streamlined it and made it less of an ordeal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jerseydevil View Post
    Good point. The whole diversion in Middle Earth/Elfland that seemed to be some retro attempt to shoehorn in LOTR...well, now that I think about it, I should have gone to the pisser. Other than Christopher Lee's magnificence...who cares. I was looking forward to the Hobbit SIMPLY because it wasn't LOTR. Meanwhile Jackson did everything he could to turn it into same. I stiil wish Guillermo had stayed with it. Gotta think he woulda streamlined it and made it less of an ordeal.
    Funny...Tolkien HIMSELF did just that. I assume you do know JRR made some changes to the original Hobbit to fit in ie "shoehorn" with the LOTR. This is just PJ's interpretation of the stories overall. So I just don't see how Del Toro could have done better with this given PJ's track record with LOTR. Again, you HAVE to make changes to stories that really were never meant to made into movies. You either like the results or not. I've loved them so far so bring it on! If you don't then there are plenty of other movies out there to enjoy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jom View Post
    Funny...Tolkien HIMSELF did just that. I assume you do know JRR made some changes to the original Hobbit to fit in ie "shoehorn" with the LOTR. This is just PJ's interpretation of the stories overall. So I just don't see how Del Toro could have done better with this given PJ's track record with LOTR. Again, you HAVE to make changes to stories that really were never meant to made into movies. You either like the results or not. I've loved them so far so bring it on! If you don't then there are plenty of other movies out there to enjoy.

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    I just think that all that stuff was added to pad a story/movie that would have been better served by two or even one movie(s). There really is no need to establish the origins of LOTR. Those movies are made. Past history. The whole point of this is Bilbo goes on an ADVENTURE. Not Bilbo goes on a quest wherein he experiences middle Earthian politics that slowwwwwwww down an already bloated movie. That's why I think that GDT might have made a better movie. He wouldn't be concerned with establishing ties to movies that already exist. He would have streamlined things to simply 'tell you a story'.
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    With what Universal charges for tickets, it probably IS cheaper to just fly to New Zealand.
    On a somewhat less ridiculous note, I could actually see them doing some sort of Flight through Moria thing like the Transformers ride they have.

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    So I finally saw it and thought it was good. Better than expected, not as good as I had hoped but not as bad as I feared. I'd say its a notch below the original trilogy but that was expected. It's still a very enjoyable experience if you liked the old movies.

    And I now understand what you mean when you say it's a bit irregular tonally. Some aspects are very childish and silly, others gruesome and grim. It's lacking a clear direction. The necromancer stuff slowed the movie down big time, hopefully they'll make it pay off somehow in the later movies because if it is simply a tool to tie it in with the LOTR movies they could have edited a whole lot more out for the benefit of this movie. And the CGI, good lord... Much of what made the original trilogy great was the use of costumes and make-up (the Uruk-Hai being great examples), now they've leaned a bit too much on CGI and it doesn't even look that good. The wargs didn't look great in the old trilogy but that was a decade ago, I would expect them to at least look better, when they in fact somehow ended up looking worse. The bunny sled looked pretty bad too, not to mention how silly it was. Much of the action didn't have much of a sense of danger, as they practically ran through a goblin fortress without slowing down as they cut down goblins by the dozens. And the goblin king, please... I know that was meant to be humorous but his demise was more awkward than funny.

    I could go on and nitpick stuff to death but I still feel that's doing the movie a disservice when it actually is way more good than bad. It was very atmospheric and the soundtrack was good. The riddle scene was riveting, the supper at Bag End was funny, the Misty Mountain song was cool. I loved the flashbacks where they portrayed Ereborn with Smaug and Azog and I'm looking forward to spending more time in Mirkwood.

    All in all An Unexpected Journey, for the most part, does a good job at introducing the characters and getting the story started. I'm hopeful that the upcoming two movies are even better.
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    Just saw this in 48 HFR/3D. Really liked both the movie and the visual format. When comparing to the LoTRs movies I thought it stacked up well. I definitely was not ready for it to end, even after the long run time. I would have been fine to take a break, come back, and see the second installment at least. Ah well. Back to waiting!

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