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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Naysay View Post
    Pfffffffff... stop it.

    The first one sure... 2 and 3? No dice. 4? Maybe.

    1.5 out of 4.

    Pff....
    I don't disagree, but... have you seen Paprika?

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    Nnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnope!

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    Then shaddap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by adgy-san View Post
    Then shaddap.

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    Okay. So I watched it again and I think I liked it less this time than I did the first time. And I don't remember that I cared for it all that much then.

    In general terms, as a film, I didn't see where it worked for me. Maybe it's because I knew it was going to degenerate into a "what's real and what's not" fugue, but I was emotionally checked out by the time she saw "herself" for the first time. There's not really any reason to care about Mima. She apparently makes no decisions for herself, so the consequences of any of her actions throughout the film are both completely her fault for not changing directions and not because they were never really her decisions. She's such a weak protagonist with seemingly so little at stake that whatever happens to her just really doesn't seem to matter.

    But okay, she's going from being a pop star to an actress and she and her management team have some doubts. Simple enough. But that gets repeatedly hammered home over 20 minutes while we're creeped out by the dude with messed up teeth. Then she starts going bonkers once her former career is effectively obliterated by the rape scene in the show. At which point, it becomes a whole Mission Impossible mask situation, where the same gag is pulled so often, in such quick succession, the simplest way to deal with it by then was to just let it do what it was gonna do until it resolved itself. Meanwhile, Toothy remains pointlessly weird window dressing in place solely as a set up for later.

    And then in the end, it's not even her really going bonkers to the point where they made you think it was going. Okay, Tooth Dude killed the guys so Mima better watch out! No, wait! She killed the guys! But oh, wait! She didn't kill them, her Roseanne Bar lookin' manager did! Then what was the point of her going crazy when there was one deranged dude with teeth AND some other chick going really crazy which was barely hinted at all movie long???


    Aside from this particular film, though, part of the whole anime thing that's always bugged me is the seeming lack of subtlety. Maybe it's because we're dealing with cartoons where things like body language and facial expression just can't be transmitted the same way as real life. So all that's left to communicate some things are melodrama and exposition. I mean, when a character has seen herself floating from lamp post to lamp post while wearing a costume that she wore in her first scene, does she really need to drop to the floor, clutching her knees screaming, "I don't know what's real anymore!!!"? I just don't think it's the best format to transmit certain ideas, and a psychological thriller is one of those ideas.

    So anyway, that's what I thought. Anybody else with an opinion?






    And while we discuss, Blueline, your film is... The Brothers Bloom.
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    ****, why did I think the movie was Paprika? I forgot it was Perfect Blue.

    It's been a while since I watched the movie, but I love it. It has a trippy, Hitchcock sort of vibe. ****, I need to watch it again so we can go into this at length. JWR, you wanna step in since you gave the order?

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    Quote Originally Posted by adgy-san View Post
    ****, why did I think the movie was Paprika? I forgot it was Perfect Blue.
    I believe you recommended both Paprika and Perfect Blue to me at the time. I think I liked that one more.


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    I agree that a lot of what makes Perfect Blue a decent thriller in the Hitchcock mold can get lost when one is rewatching it. Sort of like rewatching "The Sixth Sense" once you know that Mina is not leading a second life as a phychotic murderer you are left with just seeing Mina as a somewhat weak person unable to cope with a stalker that ends up being betrayed by people she trusted.

    Perfect Blue does work as a good intro piece for those who have only looked at animation as "Saturday Morning kids stuff". While not as polished as Kon's later stuff since it is still done with cel animation where Paprika and his anime series Paranoid Agent were CG he is able to convey a lot of good phsychologic tension and keep you guessing.

    As Adgy mentions a lot of anime inspires coughgetsrippedoffcough by Hollywood. The Wachowski brothers admit to using many scenes from the movie Ghost in the Shell in The Matrix. Disney totally copied The Lion King from Osamu Tezuka's Jungle Emperor Leo (which I watched as a kid in black & white as Kimba the White Lion, Yes I am old LOL)
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    Quote Originally Posted by JWR View Post
    I agree that a lot of what makes Perfect Blue a decent thriller in the Hitchcock mold can get lost when one is rewatching it. Sort of like rewatching "The Sixth Sense" once you know that Mina is not leading a second life as a phychotic murderer you are left with just seeing Mina as a somewhat weak person unable to cope with a stalker that ends up being betrayed by people she trusted.
    Well, like I said, I didn't really care for it all that much the first time.

    As far as the psychology goes, these kinds of characters are bad fodder as far as I'm concerned. I had similar issues with Pvt. Pyle in "Full Metal Jacket." When a weak-willed character goes all crazy, there's just no real interest for me. My preference is to see someone who has a mind of their own and a drive for something encounter some experience where their reaction is to go totally the other way.

    Let's take "Oldboy." The protagonist is rather mild mannered to start, but then he goes through a series of events where a foundation is built and he eventually becomes a colossus. That's good in and of itself, but the GREAT thing about it is when a major part of that foundation is blown apart and we see this new giant brought down to a level even below where he started.

    You never really get that in this movie. I mean, if she were a character who was going to be an actress in defiance of her agents, at the height of her success and looked to push those boundaries when everyone was telling her not to, then you have the force of her will pulling in one direction while her paranoia and doubt pull in the other. To me, that would create a much more interesting psychological subject. Maybe then the rest of it with the creep and Roseanne create more of an impact since they are really just a hard surface for her mind to bounce against. But with her mind and will so weak to start, there's just not much bounce for me.
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