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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Naysay View Post
    You liked it?! Why???
    thought it was bugnuts crazy and despite being all over the place I thought it was unique and worth seeing just because trying and failing(?) is better than doing something safe. Said from the get-go, you would like or REALLY REALLY hate. Can you put into words what you really disliked? Was there anything that you did like? or was it entirely without merit?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jerseydevil View Post
    thought it was bugnuts crazy and despite being all over the place I thought it was unique and worth seeing just because trying and failing(?) is better than doing something safe. Said from the get-go, you would like or REALLY REALLY hate. Can you put into words what you really disliked? Was there anything that you did like? or was it entirely without merit?
    It was well made and there were moments that I laughed or at least sat a little closer to the screen and said "wait... what?"

    but really my issue is that it had nothing to say and nobody to say it.

    There were no real characters and the dialog was in a rush to get to the next clever "Juno"-ism. I hate things that want to show you how clever they are through style and not substance.

    Clever is all about substance. You can't be clever just by spitting out pop culture references or an avalanche of homage.

    What's the difference between this movie and the first Michael Bay Transformers (besides budget and a source material people are nostalgic for)? No real character development, no real dialog, lots of frenetic cuts and bizarre action sequences and a "plot" that doesn't make much sense and has no real moral or emotional impact.

    Big. ****ing. Deal.
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    yeah, I didn't see it that way. Read it described as an a.d.d. horror flick, and I think thats more apt. Interviews with the writer/director had the recurring theme of trying to make a movie for the twitter/facebook/social media crowd...in other words a.d.d. So your points about the surface quality of the material are spot on, just not as cavalier as you took them. I had fun with it. Elements of Donnie Darko, Breakfast Club and a general overall sense of 'kitchen sink'-iness to it. I can't argue your points, not trying to. And there is a certain element of hypocrisy in the simple fact that I liked this movie(I thank you for either not noticing or not rushing to point it out)...but I guess it's more fuel for the fire. I dunno, I react rationally to certain things and every once in a while something slips thru the cracks and works for me on some weird alternative level. This movie made me like it in spite of the odds. It's really why I wanted someone else to see it because I wanted to know if I was entirely wrong. Appears I was, but I still proudly own it.

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    One thing though...comparing this to MB Transformers is a little cruel. This movie tried to be something. Transformers was just an empty calorie money machine cash grab with no attempt to rise above the limitations of making a movie about smashing toys into each other.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Naysay View Post
    It was well made and there were moments that I laughed or at least sat a little closer to the screen and said "wait... what?"

    but really my issue is that it had nothing to say and nobody to say it.

    There were no real characters and the dialog was in a rush to get to the next clever "Juno"-ism. I hate things that want to show you how clever they are through style and not substance.

    Clever is all about substance. You can't be clever just by spitting out pop culture references or an avalanche of homage.

    What's the difference between this movie and the first Michael Bay Transformers (besides budget and a source material people are nostalgic for)? No real character development, no real dialog, lots of frenetic cuts and bizarre action sequences and a "plot" that doesn't make much sense and has no real moral or emotional impact.

    Big. ****ing. Deal.
    I agree with this except that "it had nothing to say and nobody to say it." I think it did have something to say, but whatever it is was wasted by all the other problems mentioned.



    Quote Originally Posted by jerseydevil View Post
    One thing though...comparing this to MB Transformers is a little cruel. This movie tried to be something. Transformers was just an empty calorie money machine cash grab with no attempt to rise above the limitations of making a movie about smashing toys into each other.
    I also agree with this, though I did not like Detention. Oddly enough, I liked Kahn's other film, Torque, which is formulaic and flashy, and much more in line with something like Transformers. Perhaps odder still, I'm not ashamed to admit I liked Torque. Now that I think of it, you can see some of that same playful creativity at work in Detention.

    When Detention started, I hated it, but about 3 minutes in I thought it was going to be great. By the time the opening credits finished, I thought it was going to be a long and tedious ride, and it was, which is too bad, because unlike the good Dr., I do give it credit for trying to be different. There were also some potentially clever things in there that went begging, because they were never given the chance, really, to exist, much less breathe.

    Totally appreciate the effort, but this movie is proof that "more" is not necessarily "better."
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    Ok...that's more in line with what I saw. No offense to Doc, I fully understand his viewpoint. Let me ask you both...do you think it might be the kind of flick that warrants another viewing? Or did you hate it so much that opinions cannot be changed. See, despite the fact that it was not a success with you guys I feel like it's a win simply for the discussion it's provoked. And LTI, look at how your opinion changed during the opening of the film 'When Detention started, I hated it, but about 3 minutes in I thought it was going to be great. By the time the opening credits finished, I thought it was going to be a long and tedious ride...' see, that's what won me over. For me, the movie was successful just based on how much my synapses were firing during the ride. But then again, I liked Southland Tales, which this movie reminds me a bit of.

    And I actually liked Torque as one of those 'tuned in by accident on cable and wasn't irritated enough to turn away' kinda trash cinema ways, but that's another story.

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    I didn't hate it at first... I just thought it was really really really trite and boring. So when you say it "was trying to say something" my only response is "yea... so was Avatar". In my book saying something stupid, shallow, insipid or not worth saying is ultimately the same as "having nothing to say".

    I thought moments in the opening credits were cool or funny and there were some jokes in the flick that landed.... but hey I cry at some insurance commercials. Eliciting a momentary reaction from me isn't hard so I'm not terrible impressed when someone is able to do it. Maybe that's me being too harsh and not appreciating that as a skill. I probably should.

    I just really felt like the "message" of this movie was a combination of the kind of b.s. you'd hear from a corny studio Hollywood Exec in an old Simpsons episode and the kind of stuff you might expect to find in a spoiled kid who thought they had it rough in High School who never adapted their world view to being an adult. And I say that as a proud man child in full arrested development.



    And...

    I know this is hardly the point......



    but this movie had a character who attempted suicide. And it was handled pretty ****ing cavalierly. So I don't want to hear anything about character development or aspirations higher than what was going on in a Bay TF flick.

    This movie has a recipe. I can't see all the ingredients just yet but once I do it'll be that much easier to dismiss.

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    I don't know Doc...as I have said...I get your points, I just don't get your vitriol. I mean, it's typical...but I just don't think this movie is worthy of that kind of hatred. Was it really THAT horrible? I know it's your nature...still.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jerseydevil View Post
    I don't know Doc...as I have said...I get your points, I just don't get your vitriol. I mean, it's typical...but I just don't think this movie is worthy of that kind of hatred. Was it really THAT horrible? I know it's your nature...still.
    No... it wasn't and I don't really hate it that much. But you know that expression "don't piss on my leg and tell me it's raining"? I'm adapting it...

    Don't fill your script with snark and sarcasm and tell me it's clever.

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    ok, fair enough. Thank you for admitting that.

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