April 10th, 2013, 10:39 AM #11
Agree with you on Leno not being BAD in the strictest definition of the word. But he is SAFE/TOOTHLESS/PABLUM which, to many of us = BAD. I don't think Fallon is any edgier. It's the nature of the beast. To the standard late night viewer, Letterman is too edgy. So yeah. The entire format, monologue w/vanilla jokes, scripted interviews that never broach anything not previously approved, a quick hit from whatever flavor of the day band, and a few bland bits sprinkled inbetween...is not appealing to people who crave must watch tv. I don't get the late-night wars, myself. But their is clearly a large audience who tunes in like clockwork. Jimmy Kimmel has upset the applecart. Edgy enough to draw comparisons to his idol Letterman, yet friendly/appealing enough to get the popular vote. NBC is deathly afraid that Jay Leno is too 'old' for the game and Kimmel will erode his constant high ratings. So, in comes Fallon to appeal to the Jimmy demographic. It's all so empty, like I said, I don't get it. But it is a fascinating story and there has to be some great stuff going on behind the scenes.
Originally Posted by Ice24
April 10th, 2013, 01:19 PM #12
As far as talk shows go... am I the only one who doesn't care for the interviews? They are boring as hell.
Jay Leno, I get a kick out of headlines and that's it.
Jimmy Fallon, I enjoy the thank you notes.
Jimmy Kimmel, I like the "this week in unnecessary censorship" segment.
David Letterman, absolutely not funny. I can't even get a chuckle out of his Top 10 list.
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April 10th, 2013, 01:36 PM #13
I think the last real threat to Late Night was Bill Maher's show which he lost due to the insensitive comments re:9/11 and the suicide bombers as heroes. It was taken out of context to an extent and he was villified for it. Lost his show and was banished to the land of HBO. I am not defending at all what he said, what I am saying is that therein lies the crux of the whole mainstream late nite dilemma. You cannot afford to take risks. One misinterpreted comment and the entire nation is ready to stone you. I do not defend what Maher said, but the right to say it, which does not exist in the network late nite frame. I swear, you would think cable doesn't exist(and for the people who watch the Leno/Letterman/Kimmel shows I am willing to bet it may not).
That being said, Maher may be a ****, but I do enjoy his HBO show and find him entertaining. Sure do wish there was room for his kind of show in the current environment.
April 10th, 2013, 04:15 PM #14
I find Leno bland. I mean I can watch him if I'm bored enough but the jokes are always the easiest ones, it gets old fast. Headlines is a fun segment though. And he often has good guests on. As a teen I was a huge Letterman fan, I'd watch him almost every night in bed in the late 90's. Unfortunately he has now lost that spark that made him great, I think he's the most guilty of phoning it in these days. I like Conan the most these days, I respect Kimmel for the original sketches he comes up with and I haven't watched enough of Fallon to really form a strong opinion either way but he seems a bit awkward from what little I've seen. I still can't figure out why they fired Conan when they apparently aren't keeping Leno around. Conan already had an in with the young crowd and I've got to presume it's a bigger audience than what Fallon is gonna bring.
As for Maher... I'm Swedish and so by default I'm gonna lean way more to the liberal side of things than most, while I find his politics tolerable it's his person I can't stand. He just comes off as a smug *******, pandering for yet another applause break in agreement instead of actually doing comedy. Ugh!
April 10th, 2013, 05:49 PM #15
come on New Rules are awesome!
April 10th, 2013, 06:00 PM #16
What I like about Maher is that he is smug in an unapologetic and intentional way. While a guy like, say, Jay Leno would be hurt if you called him a douche, I get the feeling that Maher would say "yeah, no ****".
Originally Posted by BigBrown
I also like that despite being on the same page as he is on a lot of issues, I feel he takes some stances too far and there are also instances that I disagree with him completely. Unlike a Jon Stewart (who I also enjoy) who plays it safe in comparison and is hard to disagree with (as he is often just pointing out the ludicrousness of politics), Maher can sometimes challenge you to take a stand on how far you are willing to go with him. I enjoy that.
As a stand-up comedian, I'd actually say he's one of the weakest of this bunch. Certainly witty and satirical, but even with the extra "punch" he's allowed on HBO his 10-15 minute intro monologue is often the weakest part of his show.
April 10th, 2013, 06:00 PM #17
Maher is a vomitus personality...but I enjoy his smug superiority anyway. I cannot at all even begin to argue with anyone who wants to stick a cattle prod in his nether regions.
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May 12th, 2013, 01:35 PM #19
Baldwin and Ferguson FTW! Kimmel too.
May 12th, 2013, 01:39 PM #20
This is great news for SNL.