June 6th, 2011, 07:45 PM #11
Out of curiosity... do you have a list of all the personal indiscretions of every artist and judge accordingly? Or just the high profile ones? Will you be avoiding all Schwarzenegger films in the future? Do you shun anything associated with Jerry Lee Lewis? For those who refuse to patronize Polanski films... do you extend your feelings to his host and friend at the time Jack Nicholson?
Originally Posted by SmytheKing
Also... While it's impossible to defend what he did to Mia Farrow, he has been with Sun Yi for 14 years and they have adopted two children together. Let's just say for the sake of argument that the two of them make each other truly happy and are in love.... does that change your opinion at all?
June 6th, 2011, 07:54 PM #12
June 6th, 2011, 08:22 PM #13
I think there's a difference between cheating on your spouse, and doing it with an adoptive child, don't you? As to Nicholson, there's part of me that does feel the same. Honestly, I don't recall the last time I paid to see him in a movie either though so. . .guess there's a part of me that either does hold him to that standard, or just doesn't like what he's been doing.
Originally Posted by Dr. Naysay
...and, as far as the fact that they've been together for a long time, no. . .it doesn't really matter. It's not that he left his wife, it's that he left her for their child. That's just crossing the line and it's disturbing to me. It violates a trust.
June 6th, 2011, 08:23 PM #14
I'd have no problem watching a Woody Allen movie if he made one I liked.
"Only a numbskull thinks he knows things about things he knows nothing about."
"It's understanding that makes it possible for people like us to tolerate a person like yourself."
June 6th, 2011, 09:17 PM #15
Speaking for myself, even though you may not have been talking directly to me, there is a line that I draw with underage kids. I don't care so much about infidelity (I couldn't watch ANY Hollywood movies if I did) enough to boycott a film with that person, but it definitely affects my opinion of them.
Originally Posted by Dr. Naysay
Same goes for people who associate/star in films by Polanski or Victor Salva. It's disappointing that they would continue to help a person like that make money, but... it's not the same as actually having done it.
The fact that Woody Allen is still with his adopted daughter after all these years is really the only reason the area of him is still grey for me. I'm honestly not sure what to think. I still enjoy a lot of his old movies immensely and I'm not against watching them when they're on, but I'm still not sure how I feel about watching one of his movies in a theater, where I'm directly contributing cash. The fact that his output of the last bunch of years has been of lesser quality (or so I hear) made this a little easier, but everything I've read about this one has me curious.
I still honestly don't know if I'd go and see it.
June 7th, 2011, 12:31 AM #16
It wasn't his adopted daughter, technically, in fact he was never married to Mia Farrow (she was adopted by Farrow and her previous husband, pianist Andre Previn. They did have one child together, if I can remember correctly, which is the only really "creepy" aspect of it to me. I dunno if people have met under stranger circumstances, but the heart wants what it wants. I don't believe that they started their relationship until she was 21 anyway.
Plus I think a lot of people look at that situation in a vaccum without putting it in the context of the ultra liberal, 60's-70's idealistic NY intellectual scene in which he was so firmly established. You can look at other film makers and consider their acheivements in part due to the "school" they came out of - you can't completely turn your back on Allen for his romantic forays without understanding who he is and where he is coming from - that analyst-friendly culture found themselves pushing introspective boundaries in order to find who they really were, for better or worse.
Woody Allen commiting that moral "crime" that has lasted close to 20 years isn't exactly the same as say Richard Donner doing the same thing. May seem like a cop out, but it was coming from a different time and place.
Crimes and Misdemeanors
Hannah and Her Sisters
Everyone Says I Love You
Those are all terrific, wonderful movies. I'm a big fan of some of his "lesser" works too, Take the Money and Run, A Midsummer Nights Sex Comedy, Small Time Crooks... just great fun.
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June 7th, 2011, 01:58 AM #17
i'm not a huge fan of allen's work as in i don't think he's the most fabulous director ever, but i did enjoy "everyone says i love you" and "match point". i also saw "mighty aphrodite" and didn't think it was bad. i also remember a time back when i was in middle school (i think it was?) and either my teacher or a sub did movie day and she showed a woody allen flick. i don't remember what it was called. all i recall is one of the ladies telling a story about how she was getting it on with a dude and she was taken aback by his kinky desire to defecate on her. i had no idea what that meant at the time, i was like "what's defecate? and why is she so weirded out?". whoa. hellooooooo... lol.
with that said, i do want to see this because i like any film done by an at least decent director that's set in paris because of all the nostalgia the buildings and streets elicit in me.
i don't give a crap about what these people do in their personal lives. there's a lot of great artists in history and present tense who haven't necessarily lived to the general public's standards or who have done worse.
June 7th, 2011, 07:00 AM #18
Sometimes I forget how liberal LGK can be...
June 7th, 2011, 07:56 AM #19
I'm not going to tell other people not to see his movies. It's just a decision of mine. I didn't say to burn him at the stake either. I can't rationalize it as you can, and that's fine. Like I said, I just think it crossed the line and I won't support him. It's not a big deal.
Originally Posted by Mondo Blando
June 7th, 2011, 09:29 AM #20