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    Epitaph Records has sucked out load for 20+ years. Bad Religion hasn't put out a decent record since No Control. Sorry, no one is ever going to convince me otherwise. The problem is, there's no originality in punk. At least not anymore. It's all been done already by all the cool bands. How many more times can someone sing about straight edge, anarchy, the gov't & losing girlfriends without becoming stale? I got burnt out on the whole sxe scene in 1992. I was done. I couldn't relate to it anymore.

    I suggest listening to the post punk/hardcore bands from the mid to late 80's & early 90's. The band's were more relatable (at least to me)because they sang about the real world. Bands such as rites of spring, fugazi, dag nasty, scream, verbal assault, three, jawbreaker, seaweed, jawbox, farside, etc.

    If you want to listen to record that has a strong message about the haves & the have nots, then pick up "Setting Sons" by The Jam. It is my favorite record by them. It is their opus. Phenomenal from start to finish.

    Sorry, rant off.
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    i don't buy records from epitaph that are punk in the true sense per se, but i can still listen to post punk/hardcore of the late 80s, early 90s (mostly revelation bands actually) and still enjoy new music. from epitaph, within the last year or two, i've bought albums from alkaline trio, the menzingers and the new bad religion. it's definitely not the same as old bad religion but i feel it's better than their last few and i enjoyed it. i've bought from other labels like bridge nine and sideonedummy and every now and then, i drop by revelation's mail distro headquarters because it's close by and i buy something. i don't think it's hard at all to find good new music to enjoy as long as you're not expecting things to be the same as they were 20-30, even 40 yrs ago.
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    What Lunchie said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jammer06 View Post
    cant lie, its way too easy to love offspring and their shows. They're like the beach boys that way if you grew up in southern California.
    To some this may be true. To others (me) it's like fingernails on a chalkboard. Everyone has their own preferences, and I am POSITIVE that many people say that the bands I like suck. That's just how it is. I think what I find offensive is how ANY genre, no matter how "pure" it started out as...gets homogenized, and made over so it can be marketable. Nature of the beast really. I mean, to the kids today hearing their first punk song at 13 and maybe it happens to be a brand new Epitaph band that most people in here would say really sucks and is just a horrible copy of a copy of a poseur copy of a band that ripped off the Damned. Maybe to that kid who has NEVER heard anything but top 40 crap...that is a catharsis...a whole new world. Like when I heard Joy Division at age 8 or 9 in the late 70's and had my mind blown. My older sisters (10 and 15 years my seniors) thought it was crap...like it was just some dark Bowie/Lou Reed ripoff. Maybe to them it was. Maybe I was born lucky to just barely remember how punk was REALLY something new, refreshing, and invigorating. Maybe if I was born 30 years later I would have picked up Falling in Reverse and thought it was the best thing ever. Thank God I wasn't.

    There are some really good bands out there, and for me some of the most exciting ones are very far from today's punk. Hell, very far from yesterday's punk too. 12 chords man...that's all you got. At some point, everything sounds like something else. The sooner you accept it, the better off your musical experiences will be. Stop looking for WHAT changed your life, and reflect on the WHY it changed your life. Then open your ears. You could get that feeling again, and being in my early 40's...I can't describe the feeling when I can hear a brand new tune from a brand new band that makes the hair on my neck stand up. It gives me some f****ng hope man. Someone can carry the torch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by orpheus View Post
    Tee hee. Sorry, I was in a self loathing mood.

    But still, I remember listening to this band and thinking it was lame.

    Gurewitz was up to something big...

    This is something big alright...




    Sorry, I couldn't resist.

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    The offspring is #1 on the worst band ever list. I'm surprised they haven't been sued because they blatantly ripoff everyone. No originality whatsoever. Frankly, I'm offended they are even mentioned in this thread.

    #2 on the list is avenged seven feces.

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    aww...I guess they are a guilty pleasure for me. I like early offspring. Hell I even enjoy throwing on ixnay on the hombre every now and then. I just didn't like how they continually put out terrible joke songs as their singles.

    of course I'm also a fan of the nitro records catalogue in many instances as well...

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    Punk's not dead
    It just deserves to die
    When it becomes another stale cartoon
    A close-minded, self-centered social club
    Ideas don't matter, it's who you know
    If the music's gotten boring
    It's because of the people
    Who want everyone to sound the same
    Who drive bright people out
    Of our so-called scene
    'Til all that's left Is just a meaningless fad

    Hardcore formulas are do****
    Change and caring are what's real
    Is this a state of mind
    Or just another label
    The joy and hope of an alternative
    Have become its own cliche
    A hairstyle's not a lifestyle
    Imagine Sid Vicious at 35
    Who needs a scene
    Scared to love and to feel
    Judging everything
    By loud fast rules appeal
    Who played last night?
    "I don't know, I forgot.
    But diving off the stage was a lot of fun."

    [Chorus:]

    So eager to please
    Peer pressure decrees
    So eager to please
    Peer pressure decrees

    Make the same old mistakes
    Again and again,
    Chicken**** conformist
    Like your parents

    What's ripped us apart even more than drugs
    Are the thieves and the goddamn liars
    Flipping people off when they share their stuff
    When someone falls are there any friends?
    Harder core than thou for a year or two
    Then it's time to get a real job
    Others stay home, it's no fun to go out
    When the gigs are wrecked by gangs and thugs
    When the thugs form bands, look who gets record deals
    From New York metal labels looking to scam
    Who sign the most racist queerbashing bands they can find
    To make a buck revving kids up for war

    Walk tall, act small
    Only as tough as gang approval
    Unity is bull****
    When it's under someone's fat boot
    Where's the common cause
    Too many factions
    Safely sulk in their shells
    Agree with us on everything
    Or we won't help with anything
    That kind of attitude
    Just makes a split grow wider
    Guess who's laughing while the world explodes
    When we're all crybabies
    Who fight best among ourselves

    [Chorus]

    That farty old rock and roll attitude's back
    "It's competition, man, we wanna break big."
    Who needs friends when the money's good
    That's right, the '70s are back.
    ****-rock metal's like a bad laxative
    It just don't move me, ya know?
    The music's OK when there's more ideas than solos
    Do we rally need the attitude too?

    Shedding thin skin too quickly
    As a fan it disappoints me
    Same old stupid sexist lyrics
    Or is Satan all you can think of?
    Crossover is just another word
    For lack of ideas
    Maybe what we need
    Are more trolls under the bridge
    Will the metal-heads finally learn something-
    Or will the punks throw away their education?
    No one's ever the best
    Once they believe their own press
    "Maturing" don't mean rehashing
    Mistakes of the past

    [Chorus]

    The more things change
    The more they stay the same
    We can't grow
    When we won't criticize ourselves
    The '60s weren't all failure
    It's the '70s that stunk
    As the clock ticks we dig the same hole
    Music scenes ain't real life
    They won't get rid of the bomb
    Won't eliminate rape
    Or bring down the banks
    Any kind of real change
    Takes more time and work
    Than changing channels on a TV set

    [Chorus]
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    Quote Originally Posted by boy1der View Post
    To some this may be true. To others (me) it's like fingernails on a chalkboard. Everyone has their own preferences, and I am POSITIVE that many people say that the bands I like suck. That's just how it is. I think what I find offensive is how ANY genre, no matter how "pure" it started out as...gets homogenized, and made over so it can be marketable. Nature of the beast really. I mean, to the kids today hearing their first punk song at 13 and maybe it happens to be a brand new Epitaph band that most people in here would say really sucks and is just a horrible copy of a copy of a poseur copy of a band that ripped off the Damned. Maybe to that kid who has NEVER heard anything but top 40 crap...that is a catharsis...a whole new world. Like when I heard Joy Division at age 8 or 9 in the late 70's and had my mind blown. My older sisters (10 and 15 years my seniors) thought it was crap...like it was just some dark Bowie/Lou Reed ripoff. Maybe to them it was. Maybe I was born lucky to just barely remember how punk was REALLY something new, refreshing, and invigorating. Maybe if I was born 30 years later I would have picked up Falling in Reverse and thought it was the best thing ever. Thank God I wasn't.

    There are some really good bands out there, and for me some of the most exciting ones are very far from today's punk. Hell, very far from yesterday's punk too. 12 chords man...that's all you got. At some point, everything sounds like something else. The sooner you accept it, the better off your musical experiences will be. Stop looking for WHAT changed your life, and reflect on the WHY it changed your life. Then open your ears. You could get that feeling again, and being in my early 40's...I can't describe the feeling when I can hear a brand new tune from a brand new band that makes the hair on my neck stand up. It gives me some f****ng hope man. Someone can carry the torch.
    It's pop punk!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jammer06 View Post
    It's pop punk!
    That's a whole discussion in itself but this is always who comes to mind for me. I think it's mainly a generational thing as well.

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