13LikesGaiman's Sandman?Originally Posted by jerseydevil
aren't you a big Tim Burton fan? you can't tell me Tim didn't swipe his whole everything save for not wearing LA Gear sneakers from Fat Robert.
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Yeah, no... I've never been able to bring myself to care about this HOF stuff.
Until PJ Harvey gets in, anyway.
Well, we got one, but I still need 3 more...
1) Kraftwerk
2) Siouxsie & the Banshees (talk about a female punk influence...who practically invented goth long before Mr. Smith bought his first lipstick)
3) Depeche Mode
Of course it's also about influence, or the Sex Pistols and Ramones would NEVER have gotten in.
Not many, but yes indeed, there have been. I'm sure Ges could draw up a freaking huge list.
Guns N Roses - first album 1987, split 1993. 6 years.
Buddy Holly - first album 1956 died 1959. 3 years.
Jimi Hendrix - first album 1967 died 1970. 4 years.
Nirvana - first album 1989 Kurt died - 1994. 5 years.
I'm not saying that they didn't burn brightly or any of that, because they sure did, but the Cure have influenced FAR more than Guns N Roses can ever hope to (admittedly, not everything they influenced was good). Let me put it this way, Guns N Roses didn't help create it's own musical genre (unless you count hair metal), but the Cure helped put Goth, "college rock", alternative, and "modern Rock" on the map. And don't get me started on how many sub-genres they added to as well. Not taking away from GNR's career, because yes, they had a very successful one, but IMO their influence was also a short lived thing. You may hate the Cure, but can't deny that they helped shape what you see and hear all around you today.
By the way...not hating on GNR, just hating the fact that the Cure got overlooked since 2004. I know the Hall is BS, but still...I wanna see bands that have changed the world get some love. Kinda like how all star games are BS, but you want your boys well represented...you know?
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Seriously, though...nominating ****ing Donna Summer for induction into the R&R HoF before such a MAJORLY influential ROCK band as Rush? And there are others besides Rush that deserve induction before 3/4 of that list, anyhow. Is Traffic in? Is YES deserving? Is The Spencer Davis Group? Bet yer ass on both counts.
RRHoF sucks balls.
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see, that's sooooo dismissive. Why is 'college-rock' any more valid that 'hair metal' as a genre? I am sure that both have their examples of things-done-right, as well as things-relegated-to-the-bargain-bin. Yet, for some reason, due to the trappings(spandex/hair/etc) it's ok to outright dismiss a whole movement of rock music and probably one of the last times that the music industry was a vibrant and healthy machine. And if you think the the phenomenon of G'n'R had nothing to do with that...well, you were not paying attention. G'n'R firmly deserves first ballot nomination and enshrinement. The Cure were a niche band. Sure, they had their place and are beloved amongst a large hardcore group...but do STADIUMS play Cure songs during sporting events? Really...
And Gescom...I did not think that using Tim Burton as an example of the Cure's influence would be a positive thing. He's not as beloved as he used to be. As a matter of fact, it would not surprise to see Robert Smith send a cease-and-desist letter to him.
to even further my first point, npr has this regarding all the nominees:
15 Songs By This Year's Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame Nominees : The Record : NPR
i had a giggle at how they made a similar comparison to what ges made re: fat robert. (f***, who am i kidding, i giggled at the nick and the la gears reference. i just found the comparison astute.)
as much as i'm indifferent about the HOF, i think the general idea embodies a culture and music history (past, present and future) beyond just the songs themselves. only rock bands should be in the RRHOF? what defines rock though? it's like trying to define punk. sorry guys, not all punkers look like this:
so my point is there's a wide scope in various genres and they intermingle. some of the rock bands you love are influenced by decidedly "not rock" bands. just an example? there was a guy i was enamored with in a ska punk band back in the late 90s. we'd talk a bunch, mostly about music, and he'd tell me the music he loved most was classical (was even studying/majoring in classical music in college) and hiphop. buuuuuuuuuut, he was making punk rock, which obviously had influences of classical since he played a brass instrument.
anyway, like i said, none of this really matters to me a ton, but boy1der has a good point about seeing certain bands he/(we?) likes getting some love and notice for their merits. i've devoted a lot of my life to music (going to shows, writing for an online publication, record collecting, tattoo(s)), so the subject itself has always been sort of a pet project of mine.
omgwtf. i realize i didn't post a pic of robert smith WITH HIS LA GEARS, god, i'm such a dingus.
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