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    Ok...from here on out(?) things are gonna get interesting. The whole intersection of Bran's Bunch/the Craster Killers/and soon the Black Watch feels like some kinda short story addition/appendix to the narrative, but the clear declaration that Lady Olenna was behind the King's death, and that odd odd scene at the end with the Walker illuminati and the baby hints of possible, dare I say it, book spoilers. I really have to rewatch because they really kinda pulled the rug out last night.

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    Totally agree. I always assumed Craster's sons were just snacks for the walkers, now? I mean there has always been multiple types of the undead in this story, the relentless kill you now now now risen slain. The hinted as intelligent Walkers, and of course Blackhands.
    So the Walkers are corrupted humans? Appears so now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Noble Savage View Post
    Totally agree. I always assumed Craster's sons were just snacks for the walkers, now? I mean there has always been multiple types of the undead in this story, the relentless kill you now now now risen slain. The hinted as intelligent Walkers, and of course Blackhands.
    So the Walkers are corrupted humans? Appears so now.
    Corrupted in the sense that they are altered...but I am not as sure about intentions now. That scene at the end certainly at least hinted of the walkers having some higher purpose. And the setting with the circle and stones/monoliths had an almost druidic sense to them. Up till now the vague nature of the walkers has been of an almost fairytale BIG BAD...yet, in my opinion, the scene last night put a LOT of doubt on that. Who knows, were they projecting based on conversations with Martin or was this based on specific answers given by the man. I expect there will be articles, probably later in the day, that might fill in some of the blanks and I will keep my eyes open and post them here as soon as...

    Oh yeah, Ratboy Locke infiltrating the Nights Watch...I don't recall that in the book. And, if oaths are to be taken seriously, how can he leave? Wouldn't even House Bolton be compelled to seperate his head for leaving his duties, despite whatever pretense he joined for?

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    Maybe the Walkers ARE the 'First Men'?
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    Vargo Hoat infiltrating the Night's Watch is interesting. I'm definitely curious what his motive is. Is he there to kill Jon on Roose Bolton's orders? Definitely intrigued by that.

    Bran's storyline is a yawnfest for me, so I'm kind of glad they've added to it.

    I'm still processing the white walkers. I always assumed as well that Craster's sons were snacks, but apparently there's an army of white walker babies crawling around? I don't even know. I have to say though, it was kind of nice being surprised by this show for once.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jerseydevil View Post
    Corrupted in the sense that they are altered...but I am not as sure about intentions now. That scene at the end certainly at least hinted of the walkers having some higher purpose. And the setting with the circle and stones/monoliths had an almost druidic sense to them. Up till now the vague nature of the walkers has been of an almost fairytale BIG BAD...yet, in my opinion, the scene last night put a LOT of doubt on that. Who knows, were they projecting based on conversations with Martin or was this based on specific answers given by the man. I expect there will be articles, probably later in the day, that might fill in some of the blanks and I will keep my eyes open and post them here as soon as...

    Oh yeah, Ratboy Locke infiltrating the Nights Watch...I don't recall that in the book. And, if oaths are to be taken seriously, how can he leave? Wouldn't even House Bolton be compelled to seperate his head for leaving his duties, despite whatever pretense he joined for?
    Locke wasn't in the books....... But I don't recall Vargo being sent to Castle Black either. In the show, I can't recall when he was banished to the Wall, but my wife said Tywin sent him there as punishment for cutting off Jaime's hand. They're making it seem as though he's there to cause more trouble..... I can't take this deviation from the books!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ecktore View Post
    Locke wasn't in the books....... But I don't recall Vargo being sent to Castle Black either. In the show, I can't recall when he was banished to the Wall, but my wife said Tywin sent him there as punishment for cutting off Jaime's hand. They're making it seem as though he's there to cause more trouble..... I can't take this deviation from the books!!!
    I think we had better get used to the deviation. For one thing, the books following #3 were simply too huge in scope to translate. And, upon reflection, a little...bloated. I think there are a LOT of issues that could be rectified by simply combining and re-working. For another thing, the endgame is just not in sight for the books. They reckon they have (what was it) 3(?) more seasons and then a movie? so yeah. I think we are gonna get a prediction of events(to a point) combined with wholesale editorial changes. Buckle in kids...gonna get bumpy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ecktore View Post
    Locke wasn't in the books....... But I don't recall Vargo being sent to Castle Black either. In the show, I can't recall when he was banished to the Wall, but my wife said Tywin sent him there as punishment for cutting off Jaime's hand. They're making it seem as though he's there to cause more trouble..... I can't take this deviation from the books!!!
    Did Tywin even see him though? Last time we saw Vargo was with Roose Bolton, from what I can remember, which makes me think he's there on Bolton's orders. But I could totally be remembering wrong.

    Back to Bran....it doesn't seem like it will happen based on the previews for next week, but I was really hoping Coldhands would show up to rescue Bran & Co. from Craster's Keep.
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    Well, I guess I'm going to have to rewatch these episodes.
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    After having seen the episode twice now here are my thoughts:

    1) I was surprised that Bran was even mentioned to John by Sam. In the books Bran swears Sam to silence on the matter but that did not happen in the show so I should have seen that one coming. With the addition of Locke I can only guess they are trying to intensify Bran's storyline (including being at Caster's). In the books his storyline is rather ethereal as he goes to become some sort of tree and meets Bloodraven. That's not to say it won't eventually happen but this does make Bran's storyline more "interesting" for people watching a TV show, IMO.

    2) Olenna: I've only read through the 3rd book twice but I've known it was Olenna that actually put the poison in the glass all along so I don't see why having her tell Margery about it is a problem. I think in the books you only hear it from Peter (telling Sansa).

    3) A bit of a backing up here: On the rape scene last week they screwed that up. It was NOT suppose to be a rape...hell, even in this weeks episode it is clear there is no implication of it being so. The director and editors messed that scene up last week pretty badly.

    4) I loved the Brianne/Pod scene...it will be of interest to me to see if those two end up being the ones who "find" Lady Stoneheart. Whatever the case, I'd bet a LOT of money the LAST scene of episode 10 will be the big reveal in that regard.

    5) Yes, Locke is not in the books. Vargo Hoat was killed by the Mountain at Harrenhall in the books. BTW, I don't think Hoat actually cut of Jaime's hand...I think that was one of his sidekicks...some guy from Essos.

    My best guess here is that most of these deviating storylines will get back in line. And...it's still not certain John will actually meet up with Bran. Maybe they somehow escape before John and the gang get there? Also, my guess is that John will figure out Locke's intentions about Bran and "take care" of it.

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