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    I tell ya...as nice as it has been to be ahead of the people who haven't read the books, I find the confusion and ensuing discussion brought on by the changes a lot of fun so far.
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    Whoops...I completely forgot to bring up the White Walkers in my last post.

    Basically, I think they are ahead of the books on this one. So we, as readers, are getting something new. In the books the WWs are pretty much a mystery although the author has alluded to some connections with other things we've seen in the books (ie magic) but it is uncertain to the reader. What I took from that final scene is that the WWs are nothing more than transformed humans. I could be WAY OFF but that's how I saw it.

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    Regarding Olenna and Margaery, I really liked how Margaery was in on Joffrey's murder in the books. She seemed so innocent but was super cunning, which made her such an interesting character, so I was a little disappointed that Olenna had to spell it out for her in this episode. However, she immediately used her knowledge that her grandma gave her to go visit with Tommen, so it seems like they're still going that direction and she'll end up being a major player like she's supposed to be. So here for the eventual Margaery/Cersei showdown.

    I LOVE Brienne and Podrick. It kinda sucks that he's been assigned to her in the show rather than having them find each other like in the books, but it definitely works better for the show this way.


    As for Lady Stoneheart, that reveal 10000000000% NEEDS to be the last scene of the season. There's no reason for it not to be and I CANNOT WAIT!!
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    Ok, refresh my failing memory time...but the Littlefinger/Lyssa Arrin plot to kill her husband was never broached in the books, was it? I think I would have remembered CRazyEyes/Worst Mother Ever setting up her sister/Brother in law like that. Man, nobody plays the GAME like Littlefinger, even though Cersei tried to win over Oberyn's 'hearts and minds'...

    I also think we are gonna go round again on Jamie. From the appearance of the previews for next episode he is going all 'No...you're out of order, you're out of order, this whole courtroom is out of order' during Tyrion's so called trial.I don't recall him being such a vocal supporter in the books, once again, if I have that wrong please hit the memory refresh button for me.

    And I do think that having Bran ACTUALLY have to choose between his ambiguous destiny and his brother was a nice touch. Tying Bran and the Ghost Chasers into the storyline a little more securely might help people bear with the more difficult parts of his arc. And stop using Hodor as a weapon!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jerseydevil View Post
    Ok, refresh my failing memory time...but the Littlefinger/Lyssa Arrin plot to kill her husband was never broached in the books, was it? I think I would have remembered CRazyEyes/Worst Mother Ever setting up her sister/Brother in law like that. Man, nobody plays the GAME like Littlefinger, even though Cersei tried to win over Oberyn's 'hearts and minds'...

    I also think we are gonna go round again on Jamie. From the appearance of the previews for next episode he is going all 'No...you're out of order, you're out of order, this whole courtroom is out of order' during Tyrion's so called trial.I don't recall him being such a vocal supporter in the books, once again, if I have that wrong please hit the memory refresh button for me.

    And I do think that having Bran ACTUALLY have to choose between his ambiguous destiny and his brother was a nice touch. Tying Bran and the Ghost Chasers into the storyline a little more securely might help people bear with the more difficult parts of his arc. And stop using Hodor as a weapon!!!!
    The Littlefinger/Lysa Arryn reveal happens in the books after Lysa sees Littlefinger kiss Sansa and goes crazy, riiiiiiight before Littlefinger shoves her out the moon door.

    So I'm a little bummed the reveal happened earlier in the show instead of all at once, because that entire sequence is one of my favorite things that's ever happened in the books. SO AWESOME.

    I like what they did with Bran's storyline too, because it's a yawnfest for me in the book. Poor Hodor :(
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    Bran: His story is actually less a "yawnfest" than Dany's IMO. They did step it up for the TV show though.

    Lysa: I guess that is correct in that the John Arryn reveal was that last scene before Lysa "flys". I've read it twice and even then don't remember off hand. It was a good spot to do in the TV show though. I'm curious whether we'll see Sansa building the little "snow Winterfell" and the kiss from Petyn that Lysa sees. That should increase her jealousy.

    In case anyone doesn't remember the reason Lysa wanted John Arryn dead is that he was going to send their son Robert (Robin in the show) to Stannis Baratheon as a squire or some such. Lysa didn't want to let he "baby" go I guess. Petyr used this to start the chaos.

    Jaime: Yeah, I don't think he gets vocal at all in the books. In fact, he doesn't really get involved until AFTER the big fight with Oberyn/Mountain when he lets Tyrion out...I could be wrong but that's how I remember it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jom View Post
    Bran: His story is actually less a "yawnfest" than Dany's IMO. They did step it up for the TV show though.

    Lysa: I guess that is correct in that the John Arryn reveal was that last scene before Lysa "flys". I've read it twice and even then don't remember off hand. It was a good spot to do in the TV show though. I'm curious whether we'll see Sansa building the little "snow Winterfell" and the kiss from Petyn that Lysa sees. That should increase her jealousy.

    In case anyone doesn't remember the reason Lysa wanted John Arryn dead is that he was going to send their son Robert (Robin in the show) to Stannis Baratheon as a squire or some such. Lysa didn't want to let he "baby" go I guess. Petyr used this to start the chaos.

    Jaime: Yeah, I don't think he gets vocal at all in the books. In fact, he doesn't really get involved until AFTER the big fight with Oberyn/Mountain when he lets Tyrion out...I could be wrong but that's how I remember it.

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    I will never forgive the showrunners if Sansa's snow castle doesn't happen. I said it in my previous post, but that entire sequence is one of my favorite parts in all of the books so far. I literally was just going "oh **** oh **** oh **** oh ****" while reading and it was glorious.

    I don't really remember Jaime being too involved in Tyrion's trial until the end when he frees him, but I could definitely be remembering wrong.


    I mentioned this in the other thread, but I'm curious about Gendry. Do you guys think he's going to show up this season? According to the books, he wouldn't show up until next season but I'm wondering if they'll blend things together and maybe have him join the Brienne and Pod show unlike in the books. I don't think it's an accident that Arya mentioned the Red Witch, Thoros and Beric because she was obviously thinking about Gendry.
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    Love how they hid the Moon Door reminder in Robin displaying what a pampered brat he is by dropping his present (that he loved a moment earlier) down it without a thought.
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    Oberyn(tv) is sooooooooooooo much better than Oberyn(book). I am truly going to miss him at the conclusion of this season. Points to the show for bettering that arc. I still really think that we are going to get show apporoximations of what hasn't been written yet at this point. Sansa/Petyr's storyline has hit it's established point in the book, and Tyrion's story is either going to be drawn out(a la the books) or they will probably cut out a lot of that and move him forward. Some grey areas exist. Bran...they need to start moving on that. Arya's 'adventures in misery' as well(although that seems to be a foregone conclusion as far as her getting on the boat at or before the end of the season). Yeah. The next season should be eye opening even for book readers, and this is where they will distinguish themselves one way or the other.
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    Using a guide that Season 4 ends at the same time (roughly) as book 3:

    Bran: They are already way ahead of the books so I don't know what'll happen here. The Craster's Keep slowed it down a bit though.
    Dany: Also, well ahead so I can only imagine it will slow down even more than it already has.
    Tyrion: They can continue at a regular book/TV pace since it seems it will end at the same point as the books.
    John: Similar to Tyrion.
    Arya: The story has slowed down but it looks as it will end at the same point as the book.

    On Oberyn: Is a great character in the TV show so it'll be a huge loss. One can only hope they do the Dorne storyline well enough for it to pay off next season and beyond.

    The stuff I'm not sure will happen is the Greyjoy brothers. None have been introduced and Balon hasn't died yet either...we'll see.

    Also, what is everyone's take on Stoneheart: Will she be revealed this season? I say it's the last scene of Episode 10. Anyone agree?

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