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    Isn't the new trilogy based on notes/an outline that the George has had for a while?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jerseydevil View Post
    Isn't the new trilogy based on notes/an outline that the George has had for a while?
    I believe that's sorta the idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmytheKing View Post
    I believe that's sorta the idea.
    And so were those novels...for instance I know for a fact Zahn met with GL on a number of occasions. I don't think every author did that but since Zahn was the first one with the go-ahead to do the post-movie books that was the arrangement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jom View Post
    No. The prequels would have been more like the originals if Lucas had used better directors instead of himself. The prequels had everything going for it: better actors, better story etc. The (very) weak link was Lucas' directing ability which was exceedingly poor. If they could have had Irving Kershner or some of the people that'll end up doing these new movies the prequels would have better a LOT better.

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    I don't entirely agree with this. There were problems with the prequels beyond the directing, but in a perfect world, Lucas would probably not have directed.
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    Saw that the 3D re-releases got axed today. Yay?

    Although Hasbro must think it sucks since SW will only be left with the CW cartoon until 2015...

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    Quote Originally Posted by LetTigerIn View Post
    I don't entirely agree with this. There were problems with the prequels beyond the directing, but in a perfect world, Lucas would probably not have directed.
    If you fix the direction in these movies you fix much of the crap people complain about. I didn't say there were any other problems but IMO similar problems existed in the originals. Lucas never was a particularly good director. He was more of an idea guy...so these new sequels will benefit a great deal NOT having him on the set.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jom View Post
    so these new sequels will benefit a great deal NOT having him on the set.

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    they will benefit a great deal by having actual sets in the first place, not just big green rooms...
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    Quote Originally Posted by jom View Post
    If you fix the direction in these movies you fix much of the crap people complain about. I didn't say there were any other problems but IMO similar problems existed in the originals. Lucas never was a particularly good director. He was more of an idea guy...so these new sequels will benefit a great deal NOT having him on the set.

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    I can see that. One of the hidden benefits of having a Disney-owned Star Wars universe is that it frees Lucas to be papa and creative guru for the overall vibe without him having to bear the responsibility for every little thing (whether or not he was actually involved with such thing). Ultimately, that pressure fueled the stubbornness he had increasingly exhibited.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jom View Post
    If you fix the direction in these movies you fix much of the crap people complain about. I didn't say there were any other problems but IMO similar problems existed in the originals. Lucas never was a particularly good director. He was more of an idea guy...so these new sequels will benefit a great deal NOT having him on the set.

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    The difficulty with the prequels in many ways was the story and characters. There wasn't much to work with. The original trilogy had at its core a very simple and enjoyable premise, it was a hero's journey set against a clear good vs. evil backdrop. Luke was the clear protagonist, a lead character that most people could relate to. The Rebels vs. Empire dynamic was pretty easy to grasp, underdogs fighting for good against a definitively evil power.

    The prequels always had a lot working against them. There's no hero, as the main character is bound to a "tragic" fate of falling from grace. There's no inspiring backdrop story either, as the end result has to be the formation of the Empire and the decimation of freedom as well as the Jedi. Obi-Wan and Padme are not the central characters, and they lack any real story arcs, they just serve as loose triggers for Anakin's flaws. There's no clear good vs. evil, due to the manipulation of Palpatine to empower himself and create the empire.

    To me, the prequels were doomed from the beginning due to the decision to focus on Anakin. It would have been interesting to have instead focused on Obi-Wan from the start, and make Anakin and his turning to the dark side a part of Obi-Wan's story instead. Might have given more room to make a better story arc and given the audience a "hero" to root for. I understand what Lucas tried to accomplish regarding the theme of the prequels and Anakin's demise, but I think it was a flawed approach.

    And yes, I agree the movies would have been much better with better direction and dialogue. But still, I feel at its core the storyline of the prequels was as big of a problem or more.
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