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    What fanboys wanted: 2 hours of the Vidgame moments. What they got: a serious 2 hour movie with some Vidgame moments. Hence the 20-80 reviews on this one or 80-20 depending on your take.

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    Quote Originally Posted by adgy-san View Post
    In Defense of ‘Sucker Punch’ – Uncovering the Method Behind Zack Snyder’s Madness



    A good article that makes a good case for the film.

    Doesn't change what I thought of it, though.



    I do agree with this.
    Quote Originally Posted by adgy-san View Post
    Annnnnd the other side of it:

    On Zack Snyder’s ‘Sucker Punch’: Why Ass-Kicking and Empowering Aren’t Always the Same Thing



    It might be fair to say that this person "missed the point" that the reviewer in the previous link posted made, but... that fault belongs to Snyder, I think, for not making it a little more clear.
    Why do men think that they understand feminism? Give me a break, a man's understanding of "women empowerment" is shoving a ****ing $1 down the g string of some single mom stripper so she can feed her kid. All these articles I've seen you guys post are by MEN. Do they know what it's like to be a woman? NO. Show me the article of a woman writer that supports the depiction of women in Sucker Punch and THEN I'll try not to be offended over this stupid movie.

    Stop trying to dress up a whore and trying to pass it off as a classy lady. Sucker Punch has no female empowerment themes. It's nothing but a bunch of eye candy for horny men and a bunch of violence. And I'm totally fine with that. It's not my type of movie but if people would just say it is what is it, instead of trying to rationalize where the female empowerment is, then I'd leave this movie alone.

    Heaven forbid anyone can write a movie that has female characters that aren't treated as a sexual object by the male viewers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoobyTrap View Post
    Why do men think that they understand feminism? Give me a break, a man's understanding of "women empowerment" is shoving a ****ing $1 down the g string of some single mom stripper so she can feed her kid. All these articles I've seen you guys post are by MEN. Do they know what it's like to be a woman? NO. Show me the article of a woman writer that supports the depiction of women in Sucker Punch and THEN I'll try not to be offended over this stupid movie.

    Stop trying to dress up a whore and trying to pass it off as a classy lady. Sucker Punch has no female empowerment themes. It's nothing but a bunch of eye candy for horny men and a bunch of violence. And I'm totally fine with that. It's not my type of movie but if people would just say it is what is it, instead of trying to rationalize where the female empowerment is, then I'd leave this movie alone.

    Heaven forbid anyone can write a movie that has female characters that aren't treated as a sexual object by the male viewers.
    While I agree with the sentiment, I'm curious which female characters you'd define as "empowering" and why. From your perspective, what makes the difference?

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    One of those I linked to today was written by a woman...

    Post #229.

    EDIT: The quote I posted from that article seems to sum up the whole "is it empowering or not" debate fairly well, I think.
    Last edited by adgy-san; March 28th, 2011 at 04:49 PM.

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    As for the first, it’s unclear why a group of bad-guy-beating ladies loses its power if all of that action is framed within the confines of the male gaze (that elusive concept of men staring at women, and as a result, objectifying them). Why should the way in which the men view these women have anything to do with how they define themselves or each other?
    Really? This guy has no idea how women define themselves based on how men view these women??? Yeah right, and I'm sure an ice girl has no idea why she wears the outfit that the Kings make her wear or why she chooses to have her tits falling out every commercial break.

    As for the girls fighting back against men that hold power over them negating the feminist angle, I’m at a loss. If young women fighting against men that have power over them isn’t feminist, I’m not sure what alternative is. Had the movie been about women fighting back against women (like in, say, All I Wanna Do) would that have been fairly feminist? If so, why? It can’t be a matter of women fighting against men that don’t have power over them. All action heroes fight against an enemy that holds some sort of power, so it’s unclear why that same situation here weakens the idea of feminism and advances one of exploitation.
    THIS is another reason why most men should not tackle the idea of feminism. No, feminism is not just about women fighting men who have power over them. Geezus, where are you from? The stone age? Feminism also addresses women against women, and yes it is an aspect of feminism. (Look up the word "slut shaming.) Feminism is not JUST about fighting men who have power OVER a woman. It also involves women being looked upon and considered an equal to their male counterparts.

    Clearly this man's "vision" of feminism is ironically sexist. He must think a feminist doesn't shave her armpits or her pubes, doesn't wear a bra, and listens to Tori Amos all day.

    Just as men in action films are treated like sexual objects, the women of Sucker Punch are on display for gazing eyes and hormones. I don’t mean that flippantly. What woman or gay man doesn’t watch Jason Bourne in a soaked shirt, James Bond in his trunks, or Clive Owen’s stubble without getting the same effect? Sucker Punch takes things to fetishistic extremes, but pretending that Bond’s shirtlessness (or his tuxedo for that matter) isn’t the same thing is just being sexist. If James Bond can be a sex object and be strong at the same time, so can Baby Doll.
    When ****ing Matt Damon or Clive Owen do ****ing strip teases in their movies or Michael Fassbender wears sheer underwear in which I can easily make out the shape and size of his dick and balls THEN I'll consider these men "sexual objects" in action movies.

    Having a muscular character run around in a t shirt that go wet during the action IS NOT EQUAL TO purposefully having female characters wear bustiers and other highly suggestive clothing and learn how to dance in a ****ing brother. This argument would have worked, had the female characters in Sucker Punch been wearing regular clothes that just happened to get wet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmytheKing View Post
    While I agree with the sentiment, I'm curious which female characters you'd define as "empowering" and why. From your perspective, what makes the difference?
    Vianne Rocher from Chocolat is the first female character that comes to mind. She's pretty much immediately shunned by the people of the town for having a child but not being married, not going to church, not observing the solemnity of Lent, just to name a view things.

    She stays in the village anyway and continues to go about her business and still tries to make friends. She even confronts the Count responsible for encouraging everyone else to shun her.

    I'm sorry but I just can't take any type of female empowerment sentiment from a movie that has it's female characters tarted up, seriously.

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    Quote Originally Posted by adgy-san View Post
    One of those I linked to today was written by a woman...

    Post #229.

    EDIT: The quote I posted from that article seems to sum up the whole "is it empowering or not" debate fairly well, I think.
    Yeah but I asked for a women writer who supported Sucker Punch's view of female empowerment.

    I liked Han's article and I pretty much agree with her conclusion at the end. If people want to enjoy it and have fun that's fine, but don't go toting it as something it's not.

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    Oh for the love of benjy...I am pretty sure this movie was never meant to be the 'War of the F'n Roses' as far as heavy themes of feminism etc. This movie is a big shiny freaking cartoon with girls in Sailor Moon outfits shooting robots. Please....Please...Please...can we declare a moratorium on discussing feminism/empowerment here and just have Orpheus keep posting this>this pictures...Jayzus, you want to write a thesis paper that's fine...doesn't mean I want to read it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by jerseydevil View Post
    Oh for the love of benjy...I am pretty sure this movie was never meant to be the 'War of the F'n Roses' as far as heavy themes of feminism etc. This movie is a big shiny freaking cartoon with girls in Sailor Moon outfits shooting robots. Please....Please...Please...can we declare a moratorium on discussing feminism/empowerment here and just have Orpheus keep posting this>this pictures...Jayzus, you want to write a thesis paper that's fine...doesn't mean I want to read it.

    Just because YOU don't want to read it doesn't mean that it isn't pertinent to this thread. First you get mad because Orph and I derail threads and now you're trying to call a moratorium?

    Let me just point out that I am responding to links that both YOU and Adgy have posted. I didn't go and start bombarding the thread with feminist arguments until then.

    It's all fine and good when you agree with what people say or remotely disagree. But when it's something you don't want to read you call a moratorium. That's just great.
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    Fine, I'll let the trogs and the female posters that agree with what everyone else says in here to their business.

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