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    Oh good.... MORE Superman = Jesus symbolism.

    Barf.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Naysay View Post
    Oh good.... MORE Superman = Jesus symbolism.

    Barf.
    Funny...I didn't see that when I watched. Now that you point it out...can't distance myself enough to know whether you are overreacting or I just missed it. But he is a godlike power Doc. All the stuff I have read basically said they went into this with the purpose of taking him down a peg or two in order to make him more human...and relatable. I doubt they are going to sink their own ship in that regard and paint him in the stations of the cross. But who knows.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jerseydevil View Post
    Funny...I didn't see that when I watched. Now that you point it out...can't distance myself enough to know whether you are overreacting or I just missed it. But he is a godlike power Doc. All the stuff I have read basically said they went into this with the purpose of taking him down a peg or two in order to make him more human...and relatable. I doubt they are going to sink their own ship in that regard and paint him in the stations of the cross. But who knows.
    It was only for a nanosecond but he strikes the crucifixion pose right when Jor El is talking about giving Earthlings an example to aspire to.

    EDIT : 24 second mark

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Naysay View Post
    It was only for a nanosecond but he strikes the crucifixion pose right when Jor El is talking about giving Earthlings an example to aspire to.

    EDIT : 24 second mark

    No, I knew what scene you were referring to, I just didn't really see or register the Christ thing. Like I said, not sure if it's my under or your over reaction. I think we need to see the finished product before we judge whether they went hard on the symbolism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jerseydevil View Post
    No, I knew what scene you were referring to, I just didn't really see or register the Christ thing. Like I said, not sure if it's my under or your over reaction. I think we need to see the finished product before we judge whether they went hard on the symbolism.
    It's both. That's how symbolism generally works. It doesn't necessarily have to hit you over the head but if you're looking for it because you already hate it you'll probably see it.

    I think a huge part of why people "hate" Superman isn't a flaw in the character it's a flaw in how he's portrayed.

    This is part of that flaw, in my not so humble opinion.
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    I saw the trailer again today...and the overal feeling I get is the 'otherness' that Superman might feel. Sure there is that whole 'men will aspire to...' thread, but there is a really nice aw shucks reluctance that they are playing up and I think that's where the key is. I know you think the Flash is a tough character to translate, but Superman is, imo, even trickier. SOOOOOOOO colored by Donner's perfect storm that really captured the cartoonier aspects of Big Blue and, nevermind the comics, a movie faces a HUGE uphill battle to rise above that. Go too dark...fail, try to match that tone...fail. And the seat is hotter because of the EPIC failure of Singer's attempt to straddle the fence. This version fails and it derails the entire DC movie universe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jerseydevil View Post
    I saw the trailer again today...and the overal feeling I get is the 'otherness' that Superman might feel. Sure there is that whole 'men will aspire to...' thread, but there is a really nice aw shucks reluctance that they are playing up and I think that's where the key is. I know you think the Flash is a tough character to translate, but Superman is, imo, even trickier. SOOOOOOOO colored by Donner's perfect storm that really captured the cartoonier aspects of Big Blue and, nevermind the comics, a movie faces a HUGE uphill battle to rise above that. Go too dark...fail, try to match that tone...fail. And the seat is hotter because of the EPIC failure of Singer's attempt to straddle the fence. This version fails and it derails the entire DC movie universe.
    I really don't see this one failing (although very possible) since they turned the overall project to the Batman master. DC, for all their other failings, knows they can't fumble this one as Marvel is cleaning up right now and another failure will lead to even more dollars into Marvel/Disney's back pockets.

    I don't know what the problem was with the last iteration of Supes actually. I liked it but I am thinking I will like this one more. They have the right stars as the back-up actors/actresses and they are stepping out on the ledge of him being an alien sent to both escape to and be Earth's hero. Should be interesting how this all plays out. I will say this much - they listened to the fans and critics of the previous trailers and provided some "heroic" stuff in the last trailer. Like I said before I never really read his comics but I always thought Superman was the "best of the best" as a super hero and he should be treated as such cinematically. It is probably also the reason I was never a big fan of the comic either - I like my hero's flawed in some way ala Spidey and Conan.

    I am hopefully optimistic on this movie though.
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