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    Quote Originally Posted by FlyBoeingJets View Post
    WTG Deuce!

    You've got some good Canonites on here that are really knowledgeable about the equipment that can help you, whereas we Nikonians will only be able to sit back and critique your images. Our favorite saying is, "It would have been a better picture had it been shot with a Nikon."


    Nice, I look forward to hearing from EVERYONE.

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    With Deuce taking the lead, I think I'm ready to take the plunge into the world of DSLR as well. I've wanted to get into photography for a long time and I've taken thousands of pictures with my Canon SD600 but I think it's finally time to take it up a notch. I have no training whatsoever and I'm a true beginner but I love shooting so I'll probably take up some classes at school.

    I've handled a few cameras and I need to handle a few more to get a feel but after a lot of reading, it seems that 2 good cameras to start with are the Nikon D40X and the Canon Rebel XTI. Does that sound about right? I obviously don't want to go for the best camera when just starting out but I also don't want to end up spending money on something that will be outdated or won't last more than a couple years.

    An overwhelming consensus around here seems to be that you should spend money on the glass, not necessarily the camera. That being said, is it smart to buy a kit that comes with the body and the lens or is it better to just go for the body so that you can buy a nice lens right off the bat?

    For example, I found this on Amazon: Canon EOS Digital Rebel XTi 2 lens Zoom Kit -Includes Canon 18-55mm + Canon 75-300mm Are these lenses even worth their weight?

    Note: I have to buy through Amazon or Wolf online because I'm redeeming a bonus through work that has to be used for gift cards and they are the only 2 camera retailers that I have access to.

    Any advice would be awesome. Thanks!

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    Pass on the D40x and get the D80 instead. More features and available accessories.
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    You are right that the body is a cost and glass is an investment, and the choice of which brand to go with should be made mainly on the glass that they offer.

    If you do choose to go with Canon, deciding if the body and lens kit is good enough depends heavily on what you want to do with the lens and what are you expecting from it. There is no question that the $1000 17-55 f/2.8 will give you better results, and can take pictures in lower light where the 18-55 simply can't, but is it worth the extra $900? If you have to get the shot in low light, sharp edge to edge with no chromatic aberrations, and you will be using it frequently, the extra cost starts to make sense. If however you just want a little more quality and a shallower depth of field than your point and shoot, and you are only whipping it out every once in a while, then spending that much on a lens doesn't make that much sense. That is not to say that your only choices are a $70 kit lens and the $1000 (or so) 17-55mm, there is a LOT in between, I was just using the 17-55 as an example.

    If you are worried about accumulating things that you wont use in the future, then I would recommend not going with the body / lens kit, but rather buy the specific lens and body that you want. I would suggest buying the body that you want, one cheap (but good) lens, like the EF 50mm f/1.8 ($70) then rent a few to see what you like. You can even rent bodies if you are unsure of the one you want. That way you can try everything out before you lay out your hard earned cash.

    The one thing that takes a bit of the sting out of buying expensive lenses is that they don't really depreciate that much, so you can always resell them on the used market without much loss.
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    Excuse me while I endulge.

    I went over by the Aquarium and was intrigued by the lighthouse while trying out the new polarizer.

    Canon 30D 17-55 IS
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    Quote Originally Posted by rinkrat View Post
    Excuse me while I endulge.

    I went over by the Aquarium and was intrigued by the lighthouse while trying out the new polarizer.

    Canon 30D 17-55 IS
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    Very nice, RR. I'm impressed.

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    Nice job, Mike! Good stuff!

    The only thing about polarizers is the tendency for us to "over-polarize" the image. The unnaturally blue skies always scream "POLARIZER FILTER!!!" to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ValleyFan View Post
    You are right that the body is a cost and glass is an investment, and the choice of which brand to go with should be made mainly on the glass that they offer.

    If you do choose to go with Canon, deciding if the body and lens kit is good enough depends heavily on what you want to do with the lens and what are you expecting from it. There is no question that the $1000 17-55 f/2.8 will give you better results, and can take pictures in lower light where the 18-55 simply can't, but is it worth the extra $900? If you have to get the shot in low light, sharp edge to edge with no chromatic aberrations, and you will be using it frequently, the extra cost starts to make sense. If however you just want a little more quality and a shallower depth of field than your point and shoot, and you are only whipping it out every once in a while, then spending that much on a lens doesn't make that much sense. That is not to say that your only choices are a $70 kit lens and the $1000 (or so) 17-55mm, there is a LOT in between, I was just using the 17-55 as an example.

    If you are worried about accumulating things that you wont use in the future, then I would recommend not going with the body / lens kit, but rather buy the specific lens and body that you want. I would suggest buying the body that you want, one cheap (but good) lens, like the EF 50mm f/1.8 ($70) then rent a few to see what you like. You can even rent bodies if you are unsure of the one you want. That way you can try everything out before you lay out your hard earned cash.

    The one thing that takes a bit of the sting out of buying expensive lenses is that they don't really depreciate that much, so you can always resell them on the used market without much loss.
    Thanks for the advice, ValleyFan. I'm leaning towards the Rebel XTI.

    I plan on using the camera for vacations, portraits, etc... I love going fishing in the Sierra's so that would be a large portion of where I'd be shooting. I also live in Thousand Oaks so the Santa Monica's are in my back yard.

    Would something like this be a wise investment or would it be overkill for a beginner?

    Canon EF 28-135mm f/3.5-5.6


    In addition, What other equipment should be purchased for a beginner starting out in the DSLR world? What are those hidden costs that I'll find out about real quick if I don't buy them to start out?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BleedingPurple View Post
    Thanks for the advice, ValleyFan. I'm leaning towards the Rebel XTI.

    I plan on using the camera for vacations, portraits, etc... I love going fishing in the Sierra's so that would be a large portion of where I'd be shooting. I also live in Thousand Oaks so the Santa Monica's are in my back yard.

    Would something like this be a wise investment or would it be overkill for a beginner?
    I don't think at all that is overkill, it is a fantastic lens. The one thing that concerns me is that you might find it a little long on a 1.6 crop body if you are interested in shooting a lot of landscapes. On a 1.6 crop body, the effective focal length of the 28-135 becomes 44-216mm, which becomes a fantastic portraiture length and telephoto, but is not going to be super wide. If you have a chance to test it out or rent it first, I might do that. If you find that it is a bit to long, you might look at the EF 17-40mm f/4.0L, a bit more expensive, but a killer lens, especially for landscape work. You should probably go down to a camera store with a compact flash card, and ask them to shoot a couple of frames with the lenses you are interested in, then take the card home at look at the image. Who knows, the 18-55 might be exactly what you are looking for (the IS version is pretty different than the kit lens version, very oddly and confusingly there are like 5 different versions of this lens). There is also a handy site over at the-digital-picure which you can directly compare two lenses (select the two you want then roll over the image to compare)


    In addition, What other equipment should be purchased for a beginner starting out in the DSLR world? What are those hidden costs that I'll find out about real quick if I don't buy them to start out?
    You are probably going to want right of the bat extra batteries (which you can get cheap but good knock offs from places like SterlingTek), memory cards, tripod, a bag to carry it all in. Then you need to think about how you are going to process your images. If you are shooting low volume, the software that comes with the camera isn't bad, but if you plan on shooting a lot, you might need to look into something like Lightroom by Adobe. That also means that you are going to need a computer which has storage space, so that might mean an extra hard drive (or two to have one to back up on). If you want to get into heavy photo editing, you might need then to look at something like Photoshop.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rinkrat View Post
    Excuse me while I endulge.

    I went over by the Aquarium and was intrigued by the lighthouse while trying out the new polarizer.

    Canon 30D 17-55 IS
    Click on the thumb to view pic.
    Hey.....links don't work anymore, I haven't had a chance to look at them yet :(

    Speaking of polarizers (kinda), I am reading this amazing book called "Light: Science and Magic" which among many other things has some really interesting uses for polarizers, including product and copy photography. I have been reading it and like every other page it has been "Oooh, that is interesting" Very good read, I highly recommend it.

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