Thread: Fu pc

Originally Posted by jimbojone

First off, your running xp ona mac, so your opinion of it is null and void.

haha, you just told me that the hardware is the same! Everyone has been telling me that the machine is the same, that I am just paying for the brand. Now, suddenly, having "the same" components is not the same? hmmm

Secondly, your saying how it needs to update all the time. yes, there are updates. if your printer software is updating every time you turn on xp, you have an issue. printer software is updated maybe twice in the lifetime of ANY printer. Your virus definitions update all the time, because i think somewhere in the vicinity of 50 - 100 new virii are created every day. Lastly, regarding the updates. this is generally achieved by a couple of mouse clicks. If this is too strenuous for you, then by all means, perhaps you may wish to keep away from computers as a whole.

Or I could just get a mac...

I never said ppl have to build their own computer, and people that didnt were handicapped. Your making things up at this point.

really?

apple and their products are for ppl to handicapped to run microsoft software, and have lots of money to burn on the over priced hardware/software apple provides. Windows xp is the best platform , period.

Lastly, regarding the costs of the machine i built, 140 for cpu/mobo, 50 for hd, 30 for dvd rw 30 for case/psu and 50 for ram. i already had a kb/mouse, but they're only about 20$ new anyways[/quote]

What happened to the video card? Is that part of the mobo? I honestly don't know.

i did not need to pay for my copy of windows. only suckers do that.
as for a "descent" video card costing 100$, yes, you can get a crappy video card for 100$if your playing games on your pc, but you wouldn't build one this cheap for games. my mobo has onboard video.

So you're a thief? I change my mind, maybe you just are a cheap bastard!

the point i was trying to make was regarding the COST of pc's vs. the costs of macs.
you can even get a pre-built machine for about 400-500. what kind of an apple can you get for this amount of money?

No one is going to tell you that macs are cheaper. No one has said that in this thread, and no one in their right mind will tell you that on the street either. But paying more for a mac doesn't mean that you are "to handicapped to use MS products," which is the first sentence of your post that i was replying to.

Originally Posted by StoneGK

haha, you just told me that the hardware is the same! Everyone has been telling me that the machine is the same, that I am just paying for the brand. Now, suddenly, having "the same" components is not the same? hmmm

i Never said anything about the hardware being the same
once again, stop making things up.

Originally Posted by Kingsfan626

When did Windows ever cost $200 (except for buying it from Best Buy)? BTW Windows XP was pure crap but Windows 7 is flawless if you don't reuse the old products.

Windows XP or 7 ($125)
Motherboard/CPU combo $59 - $99 (I missed 3 years ago when computer components were pennies a piece)
DDR 2 Memory $20-40
Decent video card $50
Hard Drive $40
DVD Reader/Writer $30

Total around $324 - $384.

Again this is for a non Celeron POS Windows PC with enough firepower to last you for years.

P.S.



If we're using the same scenario of a decent machine that just runs a browser, youtube and anything but Crysis then a video card half that price is sufficient (if you don't buy anything from Best Buy).

I just looked up the price of the OS online. I searched for "original cost of XP" since he said he built this machine 5 years ago. And your upper end range of $384 isn't the same as his quote of "about $300." $384 is "about 400 bucks."

I know PCs can be build cheaply. I've done it before. I was picking a fight with him specificallybecause 1) I was sure he didn't pay for his copy of XP (which he admitted to), and 2) he said I was too handicapped to run microsoft software.

Originally Posted by jimbojone

i Never said anything about the hardware being the same
once again, stop making things up.

You also said I was "to handicapped" to run microrsoft products, but now that i run them on my mac, suddenly my opinion is null and void? Why don't you just admit that your original post was a knee-jerk reaction, and you didn't know what you were talking about? Your post had two major points:

1) People who buy macs are "to handicapped" to run microsoft products. Not only am I not handicapped (and as a school psychologist intern, I have a pretty good grasp on what it takes to be handicapped), but I actually run microsoft products on my mac... AND I have also run microsoft products on my PCs...dating all the way back to Windows 3.5 (now THAT was a piece of crap).

2) I built this machine i use for approx. 300$ 5 years ago, and its still running strong. Then, of course, you tell me that you didn't pay for windows. Well, I could buy a mouse, then steal a mac, and my mac would be cheaper than your PC, right?

You're wrong on both of your points. Just give up man.

EDIT: I forgot about XP being the best platform, period. It's a piece of crap. Even someone who appears to be clearly on the PC side agrees just a few posts later. You should learn to not make blanket statements like that, cause they are often wrong.

Originally Posted by StoneGK

1) People who buy macs are "to handicapped" to run microsoft products. Not only am I not handicapped (and as a school psychologist intern, I have a pretty good grasp on what it takes to be handicapped), but I actually run microsoft products on my mac... AND I have also run microsoft products on my PCs...dating all the way back to Windows 3.5 (now THAT was a piece of crap).

the fact you have consistently use statements other people said to argue against me, and claim i said them, validates my original statement.

Originally Posted by StoneGK

2) I built this machine i use for approx. 300$ 5 years ago, and its still running strong. Then, of course, you tell me that you didn't pay for windows. Well, I could buy a mouse, then steal a mac, and my mac would be cheaper than your PC, right?

You're wrong on both of your points. Just give up man.

i showed you the numbers behind the machine i built, yet you argue using numbers posted by someone else. i could have easily used any distro of linux, which is free.
Also, why do you think i stole my copy of windows? Did i tell you this? maybe, just maybe, i obtained a valid xp license. legally. for free
is this stealing?

Originally Posted by jimbojone

the fact you have consistently use statements other people said to argue against me, and claim i said them, validates my original statement.

consistently? I attributed one quote to you that you didn't actually say, but others did. I even stated that others did. My mistake. Since when does one time = consistently? Exactly how does that make me handicapped? Exactly what disability is that? Please be specific as to what kind of disability this is. As someone who identified disabilities for a living, this should be mildly entertaining.

i showed you the numbers behind the machine i built, yet you argue using numbers posted by someone else. i could have easily used any distro of linux, which is free.
Also, why do you think i stole my copy of windows? Did i tell you this? maybe, just maybe, i obtained a valid xp license. legally. for free
is this stealing?

1) I wasn't arguing with you using numbers that someone else posted. As a matter of fact, I wasn't even talking to you when I used his numbers, I was talking to him. I was explaining to him that i know PCs can be build cheaply, because I have done it myself. I was responding to his post, not yours. That's why I quoted his post, not yours.

Secondly, you are basing your computer on parts that anyone can get, yet you say you got a free XP license 5 years ago. Does that mean everyone can legally obtain a free XP license? Free XP licenses for everyone!

Look, I can legally get windows 7 very, very, very cheap. Same with other microsoft products.. almost free. But that doesn't mean I am going to quote those prices to people who are trying to decide whether or not to build their own PC, or just buy one already made. That would be misleading.

Again, mr handicap-identifier, you're wrong, misleading, lying, whatever you want to call it. And to top it all off, you are arguing a point no one in this thread has even made. NO one has said that macs are cheaper than PCs, yet you are insistent on proving that point. We all agree with you,it's true, we know!

People get so worked up in these discussions. It's quite amusing.

I would never buy a Mac simply because of cost/futureproofing.

I have built a few PC's, and they are extremely cheap to build compared to a Mac. I built my mom an i5 desktop from scratch for 500 (I own my own OS), and I built my i7 rig for 800. The cheaper one would cost an additional 2k to have the Apple logo on it, and I would pit my personal tower up against the best Apple has to offer.

Also just bought a sealed Windows 7 job for $60 bucks.

Oh, and a $100 dollar GPU can get you a great card that can play a ton of games, albeit not on max res.

I still have my ipod though and am happy with it. However I don't necessarily agree with their business practices.

My $.02:

I just don't like Apple's interface. It seems clumsy and different, but just for the sake of being different. Further, with the rest of the world working in a Windows environment (specifically using Excel, Project, Access, etc.), the Mac we bought was particularly difficult to use. If it was just for internet tinkering, I can see the appeal, but for a business machine, I'll take my PC any day. Further, with iTunes being the music source, I wouldn't use it as a music acquisition/storage device either. Finally, now that the iPhone is available on the Verizon network, it's nowhere near as bad a device, but the whole anti-open source software thing really irritates me.

Long story short, we sold the iMac for half what we paid, and got an amazing PC for the same money. Further, you can keep the Apple mobile software, and you can have my Droid device when you pry it from my cold, dead hand.

Thank you for reading.

Originally Posted by salami

My $.02:

I just don't like Apple's interface. It seems clumsy and different, but just for the sake of being different. Further, with the rest of the world working in a Windows environment (specifically using Excel, Project, Access, etc.), the Mac we bought was particularly difficult to use. If it was just for internet tinkering, I can see the appeal, but for a business machine, I'll take my PC any day. Further, with iTunes being the music source, I wouldn't use it as a music acquisition/storage device either. Finally, now that the iPhone is available on the Verizon network, it's nowhere near as bad a device, but the whole anti-open source software thing really irritates me.

Long story short, we sold the iMac for half what we paid, and got an amazing PC for the same money. Further, you can keep the Apple mobile software, and you can have my Droid device when you pry it from my cold, dead hand.

Thank you for reading.

Sounds like you made a decision that was best for you and your particular situation. I don't think anyone is going to blame you for making the decisions you did. Hey, we all buy the machines that suit us best, dont we?