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    Quote Originally Posted by NastiMarvasti View Post
    From the same source:

    http://rss.engadgethd.com/2007/05/09...going-neutral/

    I agree with the last sentence. What else is he supposed to say?
    Exactly. What else is he suppose to say? But this is the same clown that hasn't seen the writing on the wall when it's been pointed out to him.

    Other than a FEW titles (Jurassic Park, BTTF), I could care less to own most of Universal's catalog. I just want this "war" to start on the downside sooner than later.

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    dgrycan.. you are a supporter of DRM? Disappointed.
    I am a supporter of SOMETHING that is universal that allows companies to protect their copyrights. I'm not a big fan of iTunes, for instance, because it's not a universal system. If I had a choice between one or the other, I would take no protection over proprietary protection.

    However, I do NOT believe in the defense used that people want the right to make a BACK UP of digital media. That is absolute crap. You don't get a back-up in any other material thing out there, so music and movies should be the same.

    I'm not sure how this relates to this discussion directly, however. BOTH formats use protection methods. HD-DVD didn't opt out of additional protection means to allow more copying - they just didn't go as far as BD did in this matter, and that extra step appealled to some studios.

    Quite honestly, I don't care if hackers start monkeying around with the format. I have an HDMI equipped television, so even if the studios start enabling the draconian flag of downconverting all HD programming over component outputs, I won't be affected. I know several people who will, however, and it's sad to think that people, for some reason, just can't grasp the fact that they aren't born with the right to name their OWN price (most often $0.00) to enjoy something that someone else owns.

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    There are many people at work who feel both formats are going to fail because of downloading movies and other formats coming out. I can't help but feel like that's just not going to be the case. As far as the HD goes, there is no way that eventually people are still going to stick with SD. It just doesn't make sense. Technology constantly changes and people will adapt. Not to mention the fact that congress passed something about them only being able to sell SDTV's until 2009. Can someone confirm this?

    And as far as downloading goes, there are three problems that I see. There is no way that in the near future we can have that much storage space for all the movies to fit on which would also require faster internet. Also, if you do download it, you can never take it anywhere. If I want to go to a friend's house, I wouldn't be able to take a movie with me unless I burned one. Finally, I'm the type of person who likes having a hard copy of something with the packaging and everything. I'm sure I'm not the only one.

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    You don't care that you have to spend extra money just so that they don't turn on copy protection. This is bull****. Especially coming from you. You should know better.

    Making copies of things you own is fair use if you use it for your own consumption. The copyright holders are trying to take that right from us. Don't stand for it man.

    The digital age is different and they are trying to use the same business model as pre-digital age. I hope that the upstarts and the anti-DRM forces run them over. And I think they will eventually.

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    I like free stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by go View Post
    You don't care that you have to spend extra money just so that they don't turn on copy protection. This is bull****. Especially coming from you. You should know better.
    What extra money? HDMI is a standard in the industry now. It's benefits lie more in convience and quality to me than copy protection.

    Making copies of things you own is fair use if you use it for your own consumption. The copyright holders are trying to take that right from us. Don't stand for it man.
    I just don't get what's so fair about it. If I buy a blender, do I also have the right to get a free backup? What about a car? Name me some property that you can buy that automatically comes with a duplicate "just in case." Fair use is a totally phoney argument.

    You know DAMNED well that there's no need for backups for your own consumption. I have nearly 1,000 DVDs. I didn't feel the need to back up a single one of them. And they all still work just fine. Nothing prevents me from taking them with me somewhere else, or playing them in separate locations within my house.

    The alternatives, to me, are FAR worse. Downloadable content, with easily applied limits and restrictions will be FAR for devastating. Can you imagine having to pay EVERY time you put a movie into your player like DiVx? That's what VOD could dicate in the future.

    I'm sorry, but when it comes to DRM, humans as a whole have already proven that, given the option, many people will steal before they'll pay. No matter the price. Making this easy should not be the job of the people who own the property to begin with.



    The digital age is different and they are trying to use the same business model as pre-digital age. I hope that the upstarts and the anti-DRM forces run them over. And I think they will eventually.
    It's going to take a large change in public opinion for this to work, unless you are truly for NOTHING but big, giant corporations who would be the only ones able to absorb massive levels of theft and copyright infringements. You can spend years and years today developing something in todays electronic world, and upon its release, within days, thousands and thousands of copies are stolen right from under you. Who wants to start-up a company in that kind of environment?

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    1. HDMI is both all digital and a copyright scheme. They could have taking out the copyright stuff and it would have been cheaper and probably faster to implement.

    2. You don't have kids in your house.

    3. Fair use is fair use of copying things you own. A blender is a blender and that has nothing to do with copyright. Maybe patents but not copyright. Nonsensical argument.

    4. Copying is not the same as piracy. I own a whole bunch of DVDs and I have copied them for my own use. I have had to strip the copyright protection from these DVDs to do it. But this is something I wanted to do.

    5. Pirates have to make money too. They are not giving stuff for free. Somewhere along the line they charge for what they are doing to make their living.

    6. HD and Audio Enthusiasts will not take junk for free. Look at you for instance. You happily buy your stuff for the quality.

    7. DVDs come with BS previews and FBI warnings that waste time. I just want to watch the damn movie already.




    I copyright this argument and will send you a cease and desist order if you quote it even in part.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NastiMarvasti View Post
    There are many people at work who feel both formats are going to fail because of downloading movies and other formats coming out. I can't help but feel like that's just not going to be the case. As far as the HD goes, there is no way that eventually people are still going to stick with SD. It just doesn't make sense. Technology constantly changes and people will adapt. Not to mention the fact that congress passed something about them only being able to sell SDTV's until 2009. Can someone confirm this?

    And as far as downloading goes, there are three problems that I see. There is no way that in the near future we can have that much storage space for all the movies to fit on which would also require faster internet. Also, if you do download it, you can never take it anywhere. If I want to go to a friend's house, I wouldn't be able to take a movie with me unless I burned one. Finally, I'm the type of person who likes having a hard copy of something with the packaging and everything. I'm sure I'm not the only one.
    I tend to agree with the idea that DVD and all it's various formats will go away, probably sooner than we think. As well I think that HD-DVD and Blu-Ray will be nothing more than a niche product. The mandate related to HDTV is for broadcast television only, it does not apply to DVD, for which all you need is a composite video input.

    Don't forget that there are millions of people listening to music with inferior sound quality simply because it's more convenient. These same people like to watch video clips on computer screens, iPods, cell-phones etc. Ultimately I question the consumers willingness to pay for a technology that doesn't provide a significant upgrade to the experience DVD delivers today. By significant I mean "wow I can see a huge difference in picture quality, I need this"

    As for not being able to take it with you, a technology like Wi-Max will allow you to access media content from a database, for example in your home, and stream it to a playback device at your friends house wirelessly. This is technology that is not that far away. And when you think storage space is an issue take a look at the Divx codec (this is not the same Divx Circuit City thing from a few years back). It allows you to compress video at about a 10:1 ratio, it retains good video and sound quality and it looks great on a small video screen.

    Now don't get me wrong I like the advances in technology, hell I even own some SACD and DVD-Audio discs, but the vast majority of consumers don't seem to care about quality. It's all about convenience, portability and ease of use.

    http://gigaom.com/2007/04/17/wimax-devices-coming-soon/

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    Copyright holders were also scared of Xerox and VCRs.

    They never learn and IMO slow down technological progress.

    Broadband/Digital/Internet Age is a land of plenty. The business model still wants to control the market to make it a land of scarcity.

    This is why I say they will eventually lose. But I bet they will survive and flourish once they embrace this new age with profitable business models. Not fight it with DRM schemes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by go View Post
    1. HDMI is both all digital and a copyright scheme. They could have taking out the copyright stuff and it would have been cheaper and probably faster to implement.
    BS. While certainly a factor, HDMI 1.3a, for instance, doubles the bandwith of HDMI's initial standards. There are improvements being made in all sorts of aspects. As it stands, the only way to transmit a lossless DTS-HD MA signal, for instance, is over another cable - since coaxial and optical digital outputs cannot handle this bitrate.

    2. You don't have kids in your house.
    I was unaware that by reproducing we were granted additional rights. If someone can't teach their kids to properly handle someting that is delicate in nature, I'm supposed to be worried about that?

    3. Fair use is fair use of copying things you own. A blender is a blender and that has nothing to do with copyright. Maybe patents but not copyright. Nonsensical argument.
    Nonsensical in the fact that you STILL haven't given me one piece of what's "fair" about you getting to make an additional copy of something when it's clear that in any other aspect of the world, if you break it, you either go without or you buy another one.

    4. Copying is not the same as piracy. I own a whole bunch of DVDs and I have copied them for my own use. I have had to strip the copyright protection from these DVDs to do it. But this is something I wanted to do.
    That's great in your little bubble. The face is, you don't end up stealing any revenue from studios. Good for you. The world, however, doesn't live in the same bubble, and as is very apparent, somebody other than you IS committing piracy. If people just lived by the law, all of this wouldn't even be an issue.

    5. Pirates have to make money too. They are not giving stuff for free. Somewhere along the line they charge for what they are doing to make their living.
    Really?? Pirates have the right to make money off of the **** that they steal? Yes, the pirates that sell brand new in-theater movies for $3 charge. But I still think that is peanuts compared to file exchange programs like Bit Torrent, etc.

    6. HD and Audio Enthusiasts will not take junk for free. Look at you for instance. You happily buy your stuff for the quality.
    And I also don't bitch and whine about the studios spending money to protect their property. And I get angry when I hear people suggesting that downloading/stealing crap is okay, because I know that as a paying customer, I end up paying MORE because of it.

    7. DVDs come with BS previews and FBI warnings that waste time. I just want to watch the damn movie already.
    Movies at the movie theaters come with previews and "Turn off your cell phone" messages as well. I know you're probably in the face of the zit-covered ticket taker over this, but the fact is, if you want to live and play in the movie world, you better live and play by the movie rules.

    Specifically on target, there isn't a Blu-ray movie that I own that doesn't allow me to press "skip" over these. OMG . . . four extra button presses!! That right there should be enough to allow me to copy a movie and "lend it" to my friend!

    I copyright this argument and will send you a cease and desist order if you quote it even in part.
    I don't think you have the cajones.

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