You need to understand, at least from the movie standpoint, that this really does become a final battle for them. Talk about VHS/BETA or DVD all you want, the one thing studios always had behind them was - those formats are inferior to the actual product.
Originally Posted by go
That is narrowing now. HD Masters are the trophies for these studios. For many titles (especially those currently being filmed in the HD format), then will NOT get any better, meaning they are at the pinnacle. It's far riskier today for the studios to play around with their pure, raw, 100% perfect product that, if a mistake is made and it stumbles down the wrong path, it can legitmately be lost forever.
Down the road we'll see more advanced filming/displaying of movies, but we're not talking about what hasn't been made yet.
CEASE AND DESIST!
you've been ordered.
1. Yeah but that would have came out a few months back if they didn't have to worry about DRM.
2. Nothing to do with extra rights. Just using my fair use rights unlike you.
3. It doesn't matter what I do with it. I could store it for my grandkids or whatever. I own it. It is in my hands in my home. If they didn't want me to copy it then make it proprietary.
4. Yeah but the only people DRM is hurting is people like me who have to jump through hoops to get my rights.
5. Did I say they have the right? I said they are making money. That is it.
6. They are not just spending money. They are inconveniencing customers and not coping with the future.
7. Why should we live by their rules without any say? They need us as much as we need them.
Sounds an awful lot like the film industry. Make a crap movie that requires no thinking and it's an automatic blockbuster. Unfortunately, people in this country are too lazy and stupid to go for quality.
Originally Posted by tm1221
dgrycan touched on this recently. Some folks think that just because they have an HDTV, an upconverting DVD player, and a DVD, that they're watching their SD programming in HD. Like the same copy of The Matrix they've had since 2000 all of sudden has the magical ability to transform a 480p signal to 1080i, and actually LOOK BETTER. It's a load of crap.
Originally Posted by NastiMarvasti
Consumers are, for the most part, ignorant. There really isn't any real education out there on the new formats that is readily available without some actual searching involved. They think that $4000 HDTV at Best Buy pumping their bull**** programming is actually high definition is one of the problems.
As far as either/or both formats remaining as a niche product, I don't think it'll go that route. The first Blu-ray title to reach 100,000 units sold did it in weeks and not months like it took DVD's Air Force One to reach that same sales mark. Niche? Naw. BR is doing what SD-DVD did 10 years ago, but they're doing it at a quicker pace. When the players come down to the prices that DVD players were at back in 1998 ($300-400 range) by year's end, I think things will continue to climb just as they did 9 years ago.
It could have easily been HD-DVD that was outselling BR titles, but they didn't have the studio support the BR camp has.
And downloads? I'll pass. There is something to be said about having something tangible in your hand.
Seriously. The first couple of BR titles I bought allowed me to skip that crap, I thought "maybe it's just these titles." The more titles I bought, I realized this was across the board. It gives me one more reason to love the format. (HD-DVD movies do the same thing, so I'm not being biased. ;))
Originally Posted by dgrycan
I think people tend to have a bit of misconception when it comes to copyrighted material. You don't OWN that movie you paid money to take home. You have purchased a license to watch it. The way dgrycan defends movies is the same way I defend computer software. You DO NOT OWN that copy of Windows running on your computer right now. You have purchased THE RIGHT to use that ONE COPY on ONE COMPUTER.
But I can see how its hard for people that don't create these products to have a hard time grasping this concept. It took learning to program software - and seeing all the hours and hours of hard work that goes into it - for me to change my point of view on the subject.
And I DO think copy protection can be very inconvenient at times, to be quite honest with you. But I fully understand why it needs to be there. Most people are honest, but we would NEVER walk out of our businesses at night leaving the doors wide open. Yet, essentially people against copy protection are asking these companies to do just that!
What he said. :)
Originally Posted by DRice
I have always been a big advocate for copyright protection. I agree that there are times that copy protection can get in the way.
Example: I work at NBC and we have a blanket license with all of the record companies to use their music for on-air stories. Every week, the music librarian receives all new releases from said record companies. They ingest them and the music is made available via a server.
Because the previously received CDs need to be ripped, the entire catalog has not been added to the server. (This is an ongoing process.) So, from time to time, we need to go out and buy a CD. But at 1am, nothing is open, so it's on to iTunes. We need to burn an audio CD, sometimes for just one song, because the DRM-equipped file is not importable into the Avids we use. Kind of silly honestly.
But, currently, that is the world we live in, and I fully agree with the need for the studios to feel protected. They have (enter title here on which ever HD format you choose) mildly compressed from the ultimate HD master. It's their money. Their risk. Rent it if you want to see the movie but don't want to buy it with those limitations.
Sorry guys you are working for old media living off old business models. Get with the times.
We are only in the beginning. The digital time of plenty has started and the fake business of scarcity will be obsolete.
And as long as that "old media" is creating the products that are consumed, the "fake business of scarcity" as you put it, will continue.
Originally Posted by go
"Get with the times." Man, you have no idea who I am and what I do for a living. As if I don't work everyday with the very ideals you are holding so close to your chest . That's what makes that comment so funny.
My AARP rep laughed, too.
Before lecturing people who are worried about protecting their digital property, you might want to think about attending a seminar on how to properly care for media in the digital age. Because if "my kids damage it" is the ONLY actual fair use method you can come up with, it's pretty damned petty.
Originally Posted by go
Before, I said old media will be fine if they embrace the new age. Their business models will change however.
Unfliltered - you say you are holding my ideals to heart yet you laugh at what I am saying.
Dgrycan - what I do with it is my products are my concern. Not yours. If I want to exercise my rights then who are you to tell me I can't.
Kids are growing up with broadband and computers. The fake business of scarcity will be run over. DRM doesn't work and just keeps honest people at bay.
About Bluray vs HD-DVD - still way too early to call it either way or to say either won't even be a niche market like LD for video and audio enthusiasts.
Prices are still too high and the selection is too low.