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    Quote Originally Posted by ryan View Post
    Way too early for that. He hasn't even established himself as a backup yet at the NHL-level with less than 20 starts under his belt -- after his first season no less.

    I can't imagine a single team that would pony up and annoint him a starter this early in his career so he may as well ply his trade behind Quick on a Stanley Cup contender until he has enough street creds to make such a request in the future.
    Definitely too early, but it will only take a couple more great performances for teams to show interest in the guy. After all, who was Ben Scrivens before we got him? He was the guy with weird mechanics.

    You still got the Garth Snow's and the Steve Yzerman's of the NHL...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolvie View Post
    I was just about to note, I think they had some idea that ONE of the two guys would be there at 29 after the 25th pick. If we assume it's because the 25th pick was one of the three they wanted, that leaves 26, 27, 28 for two guys. I'm not sure I can explain that completely, but I would be willing to bet that Joshua Ho Sang is part of the reason. The Kings explored trading out, and the Islanders clearly planned to trade up for him, so the two must have talked and the Kings probably knew that the Islanders would move in for a guy we didn't care for.
    Did NYI trade up? I forgot that, well that would make sense then yeah.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolvie View Post
    I don't think the Kings were aiming for Kapanen, although it was rumored they liked him. Regardless, they couldn't move up to get their guy. But wanting those guys doesn't necessarily reflect aiming for a superstar, it just means they liked those kids for the value they represented at those spots they fell to.

    After Futa's recent comments captured by Jon Rosen (Recapping the Kings’ draft with Michael Futa — LA Kings Insider), I think it's clearer that the Kings targeted these three guys at 29 (if I'm interpreting his and Yannetti's comments right):

    Adrian Kempe
    Roland McKeown

    Nikita Scherbak or David Pastrnak

    The guy they were hoping to move up for is a guy that slid, but did not slide into the bottom half of the first round, as per Yannetti's comments at the draft. Kapanen fell past the middle of the round, as did Scherbak. In fact, depending on how you interpret Yannetti's comments, it's almost certainly not Scherbak since they had two of the three guys they targeted left after the 25th pick, and those two guys were likely Kempe and McKeown.

    Of those three guys, we have no idea what their preference was but we can probably say quite easily that they liked Kempe slightly better than McKeown.
    I want to clarify and retract my use of the term "superstar" as that is misleading. Superstar more aptly refers to the likes of Crosby and Stamkos, who are typically only available with first overall picks, so it would be unrealistic for Dean or anyone else to aim for these types without such a selection. I guess I meant to say potential star-level talent or--as we've basically used--high-upside skilled prospects. Again, I'm in agreement that the Kings staff may not necessarily have been targeting a "superstar" in its attempt to move up the draft board, but it is my hope that was the case given my previously stated sentiments.

    With regard to the targeted player, who do you think the Kings were aiming for? I'm genuinely curious as to your guess. Could it be Sonny Milano who was drafted around the "midpoint of the first round" (per Yannetti's words) at 16th overall to Columbus? If so, it would then be only a matter of time before he eventually dons a Kings sweater given the Blue Jackets' relationship as the organization's "farm team".

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    Quote Originally Posted by nki View Post
    I wonder who was the early guy that slid:
    - Nick Ritchie
    - Brendan Perlini
    - Dylan Larkin
    - Alex Tuch

    one of these I imagine
    These were my guesses earlier in the thread. I don't have the prospect knowledge you do, not even close, but based on the Yannetti comments about the draft going according to plan after the midpoint I assume this means no one slid too far in the bottom half of the draft. And since the guy they wanted was a "slider" it must not have been a guy in the bottom half. That leaves Ritchie and Larkin is the guys I would guess, although I'm basing this off of McKenzie's list since that's an aggregate opinion of NHL scouts. I'm sure it's not exactly how the Kings see things, or how they think others see things.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ranma View Post
    I want to clarify and retract my use of the term "superstar" as that is misleading. Superstar more aptly refers to the likes of Crosby and Stamkos, who are typically only available with first overall picks, so it would be unrealistic for Dean or anyone else to aim for these types without such a selection. I guess I meant to say potential star-level talent or--as we've basically used--high-upside skilled prospects. Again, I'm in agreement that the Kings staff may not necessarily have been targeting a "superstar" in its attempt to move up the draft board, but it is my hope that was the case given my previously stated sentiments.
    I think the Kings feel, based on past drafting success, that they can get high-skill guys in that late first through third round area. This is a murky area where there historically isn't a lot of advantage drafting early versus late in this range and yet the Kings scouts have been making a living here. This is truly the most impressive aspect of our recent draft history, so many hits in an area of the draft where others fail often. Look at the list - Voynov, Pearson, Toffoli, Simmonds - all guys with top-six/top-four ability.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ranma
    With regard to the targeted player, who do you think the Kings were aiming for? I'm genuinely curious as to your guess. Could it be Sonny Milano who was drafted around the "midpoint of the first round" (per Yannetti's words) at 16th overall to Columbus? If so, it would then be only a matter of time before he eventually dons a Kings sweater given the Blue Jackets' relationship as the organization's "farm team".
    Milano is possible, I just excluded him based on McKenzie's draft list. But it would fit my interpretation of Yannetti's comments.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nki View Post
    Did NYI trade up? I forgot that, well that would make sense then yeah.
    The Islanders have no business drafting anywhere but near the top of the round.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FabrizioHC View Post
    Definitely too early, but it will only take a couple more great performances for teams to show interest in the guy. After all, who was Ben Scrivens before we got him? He was the guy with weird mechanics.

    You still got the Garth Snow's and the Steve Yzerman's of the NHL...
    The New York Islanders have Jaroslav Halak and the Tampa Bay Lightning have Ben Bishop so those markets are closed. There are also free agent options for teams to consider like Ryan Miller and Jonas Hiller both they turn to a young unproven goalie like Martin Jones. And unfortunately a couple great performances just isn't going to change that at this point.

    He needs to get some games played under his belt to establish a track record that appeals to other teams. Playing time and tangible work experience is really the biggest way that he'll be able to grab the interests of another team that might get interested in him as a starter. Right now he's a promising backup with potential to develop into a starter, but he needs to gain more XP and level up.

    You stated specifically that Jones might be grabbed as a starter and that's a tall order at this point. And as much as you scoff at Ben Scrivens he at least had experience starting a number of games when he was battling James Reimer for the #1 goalie position in Toronto. Jones had some games while Quick was out injured, but it's not like he carried the lion's share of games during that time either.

    There was no question that Scrivens was acquired to be a backup behind Jonathan Quick. It's just that showed enough promise for Edmonton to take a chance and that's what Jones is going to have to hope for as well if he's looking for an exit strategy at some point.

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    Very nice interview with Yannetti with a lot of juicy info. Just halfway through, Kings were very high on Maatta back in 2012.

    2014 NHL Draft Interview (Mark Yannetti: LA Kings) - Puck Podcast
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    Just got to say, the draft and prep leading up is about as interesting to me as the actual game itself.

    And the Kings do such a great job all the way through. Patient and deliberate in the moves and picks. To have three guys ready for the 29th pick and then get some great offers to move out, but have the confidence in their preparation to stand by and make the pick is just a testament to what this organization has become in the last 6 years.

    Awesome. Would love to be a fly on the wall.
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    I just wanted to recap my thoughts on the draft picks:

    #29 - Adrian Kempe: I think this is a solid pick. I mentioned in this thread he's a very good player to have in a system-based team, and that's what the Kings are. Add his speed, and I think on the low end, the Kings have a potential Trevor Lewis. The only alternative players I had in mind at this point were Barbashev or Lemieux.

    #50 - Roland McKeown: I was a bit critical of his play, but as I was making the shift-by-shift video of him, I realized the video was 30 minutes long, which mirrors what Futa said about him playing "Doughty" minutes. To have that much of a role on a playoff team as an 18 year-old is pretty phenomenal. He looks like he could develop into a role between Martinez and Visnovsky, in terms of an offensive defenseman with a bit of defensive ability. Definitely needs more snarl though. However, his leadership experience along with his ability has me sold.

    #60 - Alex Lintuniemi: I almost focused on him when I was watching Ottawa games, but decided to focus on Jacob Middleton. With the video I made, I do see there are likeable qualities, but not really fond of how he watches too much. I saw other players who I felt would have been better picks who play a similar role. But, as Wolvie said in the thread, it's more about the development now.

    #90 - Mike Amadio: He was another player I planned on watching. I wish I started watching him earlier. He is a very disciplined, yet exciting player. Add in his size and defensive ability, and I am very pleased.

    #120 - Steven Johnson: Never seen him, so I can't comment. However, I like what the scouts said about him, and the fact he grew 4" in about a year, it seems there is a lot to build on that he hasn't experienced before.

    #150 - Alec Dillon: Another player I haven't seen at all. In the long run, may be an inconsequential pick, given the depth at goalie in the organization, but he fills a developmental box that I was expecting the Kings to fill.

    #157 - Jake Marchment: The next player I was going to do a video on. Can't really comment since I haven't seen him, but the only player taken after him who I was excited about the Kings taking was Jaden Lindo. Will comment more when I actually see him.

    #180 - Matthew Mistele: A highly touted player who fell a lot due to a disappointing year, but I read from Plymouth fans a lot of their players graduated, which propelled him from a third line to a first line role. It's understandable to have a guy struggle in those circumstances. Again, haven't seen him so I can't comment, and my copy of his game was corrupted.

    #209 - Spencer Watson: He's a small one-dimensional player. Usually I don't like these kinds of players, but, as hokey as this sounds, my heart was warmed when I saw his interview with Darryl Evans. His genuine joy and enthusiasm for being drafted can't be overlooked when evaluating his character, and him waiting until the very end to hear his name called, and still smiling when he came up to the Kings, just says a lot about him. I've heard people call him a perimeter player, but that's not what I saw. He just doesn't do anything useful in the defensive end.

    #210 - Jacob Middleton: I just started watching him a couple days before the draft, hoping to get at least one more player out, thinking his connection to Ottawa would be a plus to his chances. I am very pleased not only at the Kings grabbing him, but managing to make him Mr. Irrelevant. This is a big kid, who plays strong defensively. In one of his interviews, he stated his mantra was "No offense in my zone." He plays hard to shut it down. He may not be the most exciting player, but he looks like a dependable one.
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