February 21st, 2013, 01:54 PM #31
Bernier : 3 wins
Quick : 1 Stanley Cup
Seriously though, get off Berniers nuts. Let him play a full season before we go on about his pedigree and how amazing he is. I don't think trading Quick now to "help" us in 6 years or whatever makes any sense at all, infact it might be the dumbest thing I've ever heard. I think that the key here is the shortened season and Quick's back. Let Bernier and Quick do an even rotation or even a 2-1 rotation for this year. Showcase Bernier and give Quick a rest. After this season Quick can get a full training camp and hopefully be back to 100% (which he obviously isn't right now) and Bernier can either continue to be a back-up or we can trade him for something a little better since he's getting showcased this year. Side note : The only thing really bothering me about Quick's play this year is that after EVERY goal he runs to the ref and starts whining about the goal. Bugs me.
February 21st, 2013, 07:47 PM #32
Richter & Vanbiesbrouck
Originally Posted by USCKingsFan31
Barrasso & Wregget
Osgood & Hasek
Moog & Fuhr
Smith & Resch
Sawchuk & Bower
Plante & Hall
I'll stop now......i'm not a huge fan of playing one guy 70+ games a year, and THEN the playoffs....not everyone is Brodeur. I was unaware bernier requested a trade....but...as much as bernier wants to be the #1...im sure he would be quite happy playing 30+ games a year and winning cups....im sure going from 25 games to 16 the next was not good for the lads confidence.
February 21st, 2013, 08:41 PM #33
With Sutter all it has to be is wins and an "i'm ok to go coach"
Originally Posted by darby
Still I hope he does the smart thing considering Bernie hasn't let him down yet.
February 22nd, 2013, 07:09 AM #34
In Dean we trust. But if he asks me, I trade Bernier this year for a PROVEN young scorer, and maybe even a high pick. His trade value should be excellent. He was a high No. 1 draft pick, who was AHL goalie of the year, has played well in a back up role (not easy), and has shown real maturity and growth trajectory in recent years. He also plays better the more he plays, so he can eat up a lot of games. In other words, he is ready to be a franchise goalie NOW. That should demand high compensation. These guys don't come along every day. IMO, we need more scoring than we do a second No. 1 goalie. Does anyone who has watched Q over the last couple of years seriously doubt he can handle the back to back games this year?
February 22nd, 2013, 09:18 AM #35
Not sure who the Kings could get in return for Bernier, but I can't stop myself from wondering if the Oilers might be a good dancing partner on a trade. They could afford to move one of their forwards in order to shore up problems in net. Not saying that Hall would be coming back, but I could see them being willing to pay a little more for a guy like Bernier.
I still think that the most likely deal is going to be a middle of the road D-man, and some combination of draft picks... Or no d-man and possibly something as high as a 2nd round pick.
February 22nd, 2013, 10:20 AM #36
If that's the best offer Dean can get, he needs to hold onto Bernier. Not to mention, what happens if Quick's surgically repaired back goes out? Who's in net then? For the first time in franchise history the Kings have two goalies that are potential franchise goalies and one of them is coming off back surgery with condensed season. Let teams bid on Bernier in the summer and take what compensation comes the Kings way. If the offers aren't that great then match them and keep the kid. I know he may not like it, but that's too bad. He will eventually get paid and nothing wrong with having two studs available to put in net. I'll also throw this out there. Bernier has been better than Quick so far this season. If Vancouver can replace Luongo for sub-par performances the Kings could do the same with Quick if he doesn't keep playing like he did in Edmonton. Having Bernier sitting there will hopefully keep him sharp and we won't have any more visits from Mr. Softie.
Originally Posted by AllenA07
February 22nd, 2013, 10:41 AM #37
Can any of the several folks here who seem to have this notion that Bernier is worth a King's ransom to other GMs around the league provide an example in recent memory where a goaltender (any goaltender, let alone a guy who has played a grand total of 48 ****ing NHL games) garnered a significant return of the sort you're talking about? No, NHL13 does not count. The notion that, after that sample size, he is a turnkey franchise goalie is absurd. The name Steve Mason ring a bell? We all like to view the world through Forum Blue and Gold glasses, but those glasses tend to block out two key points:
Originally Posted by STLKingsFan
1. The fact that he has played admittedly great (no one here could ever possibly dispute his relative importance to the Kings the past few years) does not necessarily mean he will step into a #1 role and instantly become a perennial All-Star.
2. Because of that fact, and the general relative value of goaltenders in transactions in the NHL, the fair market value for him will absolutely not be what you're looking for.