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    Default Brett Bellemore -26yearold Right shooting Dman

    No offensive ability, but cheap and might be a part we could use.

    Hockey's Future - Brett Bellemore

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    It's a bit crowded in Manchester for defensemen already though. I mean, you potentially have two defense pairings still in place from the previous year depending on how waivers go.

    Andrew Bodnarchuk / Vincent LoVerde
    Jeff Schultz / Colin Miller

    Then you have unpaired young players that are eligible to play in Manchester and have already been signed to contracts.

    Derek Forbort
    Kurtis MacDermid
    Nick Ebert
    Alex Roach

    You then have a guy in Kevin Gravel that hasn't been signed to a contract, but if he did he'd be playing in the AHL next year since he graduated from college.

    Zachary Leslie from Guelph is currently in the OHL, but is already 20 years old so if he signed a contract he *could* play in the AHL right away if they choose, or let him play out an over-age year at Guelph.

    That's not even counting if one of the camp invitees somehow shows enough promise to warrant a contract offer like NCAA free agent Kenney Morrison from Western Michigan.

    At this point you're probably already looking at Alex Roach and Kurtis MacDermid playing in ECHL Ontario to get playing time and refine their game, so adding yet another body like Bellemore might be a bit much. The Kings might just choose to give their homegrown players a shot instead to develop.
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    It was just mentioned to me that Del Zoto is without a contract. 24 years old. Was once a prime up and commer.

    I am NOT saying the kings should sign him. Just wondering if anyone knew the story with him. Seems like he was ruined by the Rags.

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    Quote Originally Posted by backofthenet View Post
    It was just mentioned to me that Del Zoto is without a contract. 24 years old. Was once a prime up and commer.

    I am NOT saying the kings should sign him. Just wondering if anyone knew the story with him. Seems like he was ruined by the Rags.
    The talk is that he sees himself as an offensive defenseman that can carry the puck and drive the play. That's a view that both New York and Nashville had a difference of opinion on as they wanted to see him re-invent his game because right now he's a defensive liability in his own end while not contributing points on the offensive side.

    Phil Housley tried to get him to move the puck quickly to the forwards to allow the play to develop then have him read and react to what's unfolding in front of him. Other than that Housley wanted Del Zotto to bring energy and intensity to the ice -- in terms of being engaged rather than being physical.

    Unfortunately Del Zotto didn't take to that coaching in Nashville, or Ulf Samuelsson's and Mike Sullivan's while with the Rangers.

    There's an obvious disconnect between what he sees himself as and what three coaches (Barry Trotz, John Tortorella, and Alain Vigneault) in two different organizations have been trying to get him to see. Until he has his moment of realization he might be a hot mess that might not be really worth it -- at least to a contender like the Kings.

    Maybe a more desperate team with time and patience to spare can see if he turns things around and becomes a player similar to someone like an Andrew MacDonald or something.
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    Quote Originally Posted by backofthenet View Post
    It was just mentioned to me that Del Zoto is without a contract. 24 years old. Was once a prime up and commer.

    I am NOT saying the kings should sign him. Just wondering if anyone knew the story with him. Seems like he was ruined by the Rags.
    Well, he's basically pre-playoffs Muzzin. He'll make a Gretzky-like play and then turn it over 50 times which will turn into 10 goals, or just completely disappear from games. Plus, he's a left shot, with Muzzin, Regehr, Martinez and McNabb (plus Forbort and the others in Manch) he has no chance to see much ice time. He has potential though, and a coaching staff like the one the Kings have would probably help him, but with no opportunities/cash here, it's not gonna happen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ryan View Post
    The talk is that he sees himself as an offensive defenseman that can carry the puck and drive the play. That's a view that both New York and Nashville had a difference of opinion on as they wanted to see him re-invent his game because right now he's a defensive liability in his own end while not contributing points on the offensive side.

    Phil Housley tried to get him to move the puck quickly to the forwards to allow the play to develop then have him read and react to what's unfolding in front of him. Other than that Housley wanted Del Zotto to bring energy and intensity to the ice -- in terms of being engaged rather than being physical.

    Unfortunately Del Zotto didn't take to that coaching in Nashville, or Ulf Samuelsson's and Mike Sullivan's while with the Rangers.

    There's an obvious disconnect between what he sees himself as and what three coaches (Barry Trotz, John Tortorella, and Alain Vigneault) in two different organizations have been trying to get him to see. Until he has his moment of realization he might be a hot mess that might not be really worth it -- at least to a contender like the Kings.

    Maybe a more desperate team with time and patience to spare can see if he turns things around and becomes a player similar to someone like an Andrew MacDonald or something.
    Quote Originally Posted by FabrizioHC View Post
    Well, he's basically pre-playoffs Muzzin. He'll make a Gretzky-like play and then turn it over 50 times which will turn into 10 goals, or just completely disappear from games. Plus, he's a left shot, with Muzzin, Regehr, Martinez and McNabb (plus Forbort and the others in Manch) he has no chance to see much ice time. He has potential though, and a coaching staff like the one the Kings have would probably help him, but with no opportunities/cash here, it's not gonna happen.
    Thanks guys. Good info.

    Just to be clear though....I never considered it a viable move for the Kings. I just see a player like that at the young age of 24 as a dman and it is hard to believe he is just done. Gone.
    Crazy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryan View Post
    It's a bit crowded in Manchester for defensemen already though. I mean, you potentially have two defense pairings still in place from the previous year depending on how waivers go.

    Andrew Bodnarchuk / Vincent LoVerde
    Jeff Schultz / Colin Miller

    Then you have unpaired young players that are eligible to play in Manchester and have already been signed to contracts.

    Derek Forbort
    Kurtis MacDermid
    Nick Ebert
    Alex Roach

    You then have a guy in Kevin Gravel that hasn't been signed to a contract, but if he did he'd be playing in the AHL next year since he graduated from college.

    Zachary Leslie from Guelph is currently in the OHL, but is already 20 years old so if he signed a contract he *could* play in the AHL right away if they choose, or let him play out an over-age year at Guelph.

    That's not even counting if one of the camp invitees somehow shows enough promise to warrant a contract offer like NCAA free agent Kenney Morrison from Western Michigan.

    At this point you're probably already looking at Alex Roach and Kurtis MacDermid playing in ECHL Ontario to get playing time and refine their game, so adding yet another body like Bellemore might be a bit much. The Kings might just choose to give their homegrown players a shot instead to develop.
    All that info is nice, but the bottom line in my research was a cheap right handed shot that has proven to be NHL ready. You know a lot about our prospects, WAY more than I do. However, that clear bit of info that I mentioned is not addressed in all your info. Please elucidate further.

    This is just in case we have an injury to a righty early in the season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kopifan View Post
    All that info is nice, but the bottom line in my research was a cheap right handed shot that has proven to be NHL ready. You know a lot about our prospects, WAY more than I do. However, that clear bit of info that I mentioned is not addressed in all your info. Please elucidate further.

    This is just in case we have an injury to a righty early in the season.
    Am I correct in assuming you want Bellemore as a right handed call-up in case of injuries?

    If that's the case then let me just state that as favorable a situation as it is to have the perfect lefty-righty combinations, the injury to Matt Greene last year showed they had no issues whatsoever about using a lefty-lefty pairing if they needed to. Willie Mitchell was paired with Alec Martinez, the latter identified by Sutter as a versatile player that he has confidence can be played either at left or right defense without missing a beat.

    If Bellemore was intended to be a right handed presence at the AHL-level then Vincent LoVerde, Colin Miller, and Nick Ebert are all right-hand shots.

    The problem with signing Bellemore that I see is that it's strictly a numbers game in two manners.

    First, how many prospects are going to be pushed out of the AHL in order to accommodate specifically for a right-handed defenseman as a contingency option? I have doubts that the Kings are going to sacrifice the development opportunities of young prospects to achieve that ideal state that you might be looking for.

    Second involves the slots on the reserve list that cap the number of professional contracts you can carry to 50 per year. The Kings are at 44 right now and that's without signing certain prospects that could be eligible for entry-level contracts if the Kings decide to go in that direction.

    If they somehow sign Nikolai Prokhorkin, decide to sign Zachary Leslie and Justin Auger from Guelph, or take a flyer on a training camp invitee like Kenney Morrison, Stephen Harper, Taylor Burke, or Jordon Cooke -- all of those players take up a slot if signed to a contract. Then you have to keep in mind that if trades were planned out during the year that you need slots free or you're going to have to move bodies off of the reserve list to accommodate.

    So, yeah, all of those things would play into why I'd see it as, not a bad idea, but it's going more towards a luxury move rather than a necessary one.

    Edit: Totally missed where you *did* say it was for a possible injury call-up, but the point remains the same, really.
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    Your knowledge just shines through, Ryan. It's true it's a luxury. But in the same sense, I think the signing of both McNabb and Schultze is not just to have 8 dmen on the team, but to have multiple options for training camp. There is a great chance that only one will get a spot. I was thinking the same could be said with Bellemore. There's no loss if he doens't make camp and someone else wants to pick him up in the league as a Free Agent for us and a trade if he shows something during camp. There is always the possibility of a training camp invite to earn a contract, too.

    Thanks for the info on the 50 cap limit, too. I think I knew that once, but I did forget it now.

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    Depth never hurts, but the Kings do have to be mindful of the 50 contract limit, and the Kings already have enough defensemen where they'll either have to play in the ECHL or be sent back to juniors.

    Manchester or Ontario could always try to sign him just to get him into the system. But I think the Kings prefer to utilize it for their homegrown talent when possible.

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