Thread: For the CBA Geekoids....

Originally Posted by sweatypickle

No offence taken! The link above discusses (there's a globe and mail one as well.. I'll look for it) how it applies to all contracts, however the NHL has been adamant from the start and has had it in every proposal that it applies to existing contracts. The PA outlined this calculation a while back and finally agreed to it applying to existing contracts in early December. The part about splitting the cap recapture between teams is new (at least it wasn't specified in the old NHL proposals).

I didn't follow the negotiations that carefully so I figured it was always possible I missed something.

Originally Posted by Riofan

LTIR will be the loophole teams will use to prevent these cap hits.

Guys like Pronger (5 seasons counting this one left) and Savard (also 5 years with this one) are legitimately injured so I don't have a problem with those guys being on LTIR. I just can't see the league letting teams stash guys who are NOT legitimately hurt on LTIR, potentially for years at a time. Other teams would have a cow.

In the last CBA the league had the authority to make teams prove that the player on LTIR was legitimately injured long term. I imagine that will be the same in the new CBA. I would also imagine that periodically the player will have to undergo exams to prove that he is still legitimately injured. They aren't going to let one diagnosis last for 5 seasons without some proof that the player is still injured.

What could in theory screw a team like the Flyers, especially because Pronger's is an over 35 deal and he has a NMC, is if he makes some sort of recovery a year or two down the road that would leave him unable to qualify for LTIR. Yes it's unlikely. But if it happened, Philly would then have like a 39 year old Pronger with concussion issues that hasn't played in 3 years that you couldn't hide on LTIR. That contract is untradeable and he can't be stashed in the minors to get the cap relief. I can't see the Rangers or Penguins for example sitting there and not complaining if the Flyers were using LTIR for cap relief for years if Pronger got healthy enough to be cleared to play.

I'm disappointed with how civil the conversation has been in this thread. This is not the LGK I've grown to love.

You've changed.

Originally Posted by gescom

nobody else thinks it's funny that they are now allowing teams to essentially negotiate with players for a week leading up to July 1st?

it's like, hey, we have this show on television, and these delays are ruining everything. no one wants to watch a bunch of hockey guys twiddling their thumbs and "winging it" on live tv for Pete's sake!

I think it's awesome.

Now we won't have any of that "so and so never talked to my client so we signed with San Jose on day one" malarky.

You'll know pretty damned well who talked to whom about what and when.

So if Kovalchuk retired in 6 years, the Devils would get a cap of hit of like 15 million for the remaining 6-7 years of the contract.

Fun !!

Has there been any word on hiding contracts in the minors? I haven't seen anybody discuss it...

Originally Posted by Dr. Naysay

I think it's awesome.

Now we won't have any of that "so and so never talked to my client so we signed with San Jose on day one" malarky.

You'll know pretty damned well who talked to whom about what and when.

24/7 Free agency week anyone? Cmon hookers and Blow!

Originally Posted by Dr. Naysay

Has there been any word on hiding contracts in the minors? I haven't seen anybody discuss it...

Just saw this on twitter and had a laugh, Capgeek has a buried category now!

New York Rangers Salary Cap Chart

Originally Posted by FishMonger

I'm disappointed with how civil the conversation has been in this thread. This is not the LGK I've grown to love.

You've changed.

Once the season starts, I'm sure the LGK we've all come to know over the years will return.

Originally Posted by gescom

nobody else thinks it's funny that they are now allowing teams to essentially negotiate with players for a week leading up to July 1st?

it's like, hey, we have this show on television, and these delays are ruining everything. no one wants to watch a bunch of hockey guys twiddling their thumbs and "winging it" on live tv for Pete's sake!

Dude, its just like the NBA!!!

Originally Posted by jammer06

Well formally allowing it will stop a lot of the tampering crap that was obviously going on before but nobody wanted to pursue.

And it will eliminate the shuttling of draft picks around too.

Originally Posted by Dr. Naysay

Has there been any word on hiding contracts in the minors? I haven't seen anybody discuss it...

https://twitter.com/capgeek

Originally Posted by CapGeek

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It appears Wade Redden would count at $5.6M against #NYRangers cap if buried in minors: $6.5M-$900K. Impact: New York Rangers Salary Cap Chart