The Official CBA Negotiations/Lockout Super Thread

lol blaming the players. you guys are too much.
the only way the players were going to avoid a lockout was to take an unbelievably bad deal. the 43% offer ensured that.
now that they get a tiny sliver of leverage, you think they shouldn't use it.

hiring fehr was the best move the players could make. they got bailed out last time by unprecedented and unexpected growth. can't count on that this time.

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Originally Posted by NastiMarvasti

Do we know who the 8 teams are? I'm assuming Philly, NYR, Toronto, Vancouver, Montreal, are among them.

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Per this:

http://www.forbes.com/nhl-valuations/list/#p_1_s_d6_

I think its:


Toronto
Rangers
Montreal
Vancouver
Detroit
Boston
Chicago
Flyers
Penguins
Flames
Kings
Ottawa
Minnesota
San Jose
Edmonton
Washington
Dallas
Tampa Bay
Buffalo
Anaheim
Colorado
Nashville
Florida
Carolina
Columbus
St. Louis
Winnipeg
Phoenix
New York

The ones in bold are the ones that I think are pushing to get 13% of the existing contracts back, and most of the top revenue generating AND profitable teams.

FWIW, Pierre McGuire (I know, I know, but he is rather well connected) claims that 17 teams made money last season. I think people place way too much faith in the guesswork of a journalist.

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Originally Posted by santiclaws

30-40, if that, out of about 700 have signed in Europe. The average players will get no offers from Europe, only the top 5-10%. On the Kings, I think only Kopitar signed to play in Europe and he's playing for a second-division team which probably pays him an annual salary of about $30,000. The lockout is FAR more painful for the players financially. Hockey income is a small part of the overall picture for most NHL owners.

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The number is over 100 players have signed in Europe. I guess the word UNION only applies here, they take away jobs from other players and dont even care.

They complain and cry how they got screwed the last time around yet they want to keep the same CBA in place? wierd.

The only ones that got screwed were the ones that lost that season (04-05) and soon after retired, every single one of the other players have made incredible amounts of money with raises that most families can only dream of. They got every single penny back from that 24% rollback during one of the worst economic times this country has ever seen.

The owners are the ones, clearly, that understand how to run a business and they knew then as much as they know, what needs to happen to make the league, as a whole, successful.

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Originally Posted by santiclaws

FWIW, Pierre McGuire (I know, I know, but he is rather well connected) claims that 17 teams made money last season. I think people place way too much faith in the guesswork of a journalist.

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And that means that 12 of them didn't.

I don't think that has anything to do with it however, nor does it have to do with them having to all collectively cover The Yotes.

This is the big revenue teams who are making assloads of cash trying to trim 13% off their payroll numbers right now, AFTER they spent like Drunken Sailors to keep putting butts in their seats. Its $10M each per year, and that number will double with 7% growth, over the next 10 years. It will grow to about $15M per team during the 6 years of that deal, for a grand total of around $70 per team. That's collectively a half a billion dollars in the top 8 teams alone.

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Originally Posted by aaron

lol blaming the players. you guys are too much. hiring fehr was the best move the players could make.

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I think it was the worst move they could make. That and not starting bargaining last season like the owners wanted.

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Originally Posted by bigfan3

The number is over 100 players have signed in Europe. I guess the word UNION only applies here, they take away jobs from other players and dont even care.

They complain and cry how they got screwed the last time around yet they want to keep the same CBA in place? wierd.

The only ones that got screwed were the ones that lost that season (04-05) and soon after retired, every single one of the other players have made incredible amounts of money with raises that most families can only dream of. They got every single penny back from that 24% rollback during one of the worst economic times this country has ever seen.

The owners are the ones, clearly, that understand how to run a business and they knew then as much as they know, what needs to happen to make the league, as a whole, successful.

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Yet, they were the ones that put the current broken systems into place.

last time, the owners got the salary cap they wanted, knowing it would never be gotten rid of. That they got taken with the unexpected growth is temporary, and could be remedied with further negotiation of percentages.
Owners won long term.

Ok - maybe I said it wrong - some players are not losing a lot.... But still not suffering as if they are making zero dollars during the lockout. Some went to Europe and some are playing in the minors (those eligible). And for the owners - yeah if they were smart, they saved money but their side is still losing more during the lockout - they have employees that do not work or less hours.
I just feel if the loss impact was equal they would have came to an agreement a long time ago.
And after reading the nhlpa statement today, they make it seem like the owners are the devil and they are saints through all this. I am sure there are more than a few things that is going on that none of us know about.
I haven't been able to find anywhere else where the employee makes more than the owner. Didn't the owners propose 50/50?

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Originally Posted by aragorn

I think it was the worst move they could make. That and not starting bargaining last season like the owners wanted.

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The negotiations really started when the owners offered 50/50. Anything before that was just talk. And they weren't offering that until well into the lockout.