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I don't understand why ANYONE is still talking about rollbacks!Originally Posted by jt
The last NHL offer included NO ROLLBACKS.
The players contracts would have been honored.
Why does no one, especially NHL players, get this?
Why?
Because the players are CLEARLY not up to speed on the latest information because their union is keeping them in the dark or misinforming them, even through it's public knowledge!
Crazy S, I tells ya.
Crazy S!
i have never disagreed with this point. i have said repeatedly that the players will eventually have to concede to the owners demands. hell, they already have. my argument was with someone who was making the ludicrous claim that the owners can or would want to do whatever they want without consequence. they cannot.
I call BS. The NHLPA is not using the term rollbacks. They understand that the latest nhl proposal includes a "make whole" provision. the issue is who pays for it. The owners who agreed to pay for it when they signed the contracts, or does it come out of future player salaries. That is the issue and it has always been the issue. The NHL refuses to even consider paying one cent over 50% including salaries that they already agreed to. This is just conjecture based on what the NHLPA has already conceded to the NHL, but if the NHL were willing to accept paying for some of those contracts the NHLPA would also agree to a lesser percentage. In other words, if the NHL would say OK, we'll pay for a diminishing amount of the salaries over 50% over the next few years to get to that 50/50 split, the players would fall over themselves to sign, even if that percentage is less than the one the NHLPA proposed.
The PA called BS too.
That doesn't mean a thing either.
The PA is not using the term rollbacks?
Really?
Have you not been paying attention?
The players have been Twitter crying about rollbacks!
Suter's article, he talked about rollbacks.
Do I really have to link it?
The way I understood it, the money was to come from the eventual increase in revenues, not directly from salaries.
It was on the NHL's website.
Because what you appear to be referencing is NHLPA offer #3, not NHL 50/50 offer. The last 50/50 offer the NHL made had the players paying the difference between the expiring CBA split and the proposed 50/50 split out of player escrow. The NHLPA offer had the owners paying. The NHL version of "Make whole" was simply "pay yourself."
Regardless, the existing contracts would have been paid, so there would be no rollbacks as they keep talking about.
The PA could have negotiated off of the NHL offer to split the costs of covering the contracts.
Wouldn't that have been a good compromise, IF they really wanted to play, as they say they do?
I know you're talking about me and I never ever said they can do whatever they want without consequences. *sigh*
Because negotiating and making a compromise is now called losing/bending over. That's why. It's their egos, and that's the whole problem there is.
I mean, the players expect to have "the last word". Why? One reason...but I know there won't be a legitimate one.
Don't get me wrong because I agree with you in principle. But the owners want to pay less to players currently under contract for 12-13. They want to reduce it from 57% to 50% (or 52 or 54 or whatever). The players would risk getting "their own money" from 12-13 back over the next 7 (or 6 or 5 or whatever) years and it seems likely they would in fact get it back. But they might not...so that's the risk.
Call it whatever you want but going from getting paid 100% of 57% to getting paid 100% of 50%...or 88% of 57% is a rollback. If they get it back (with interest?), fine they're "made whole"...but TODAY it's a rollback.
I think we are getting into semantics here. You are right that under the NHL offer, existing contracts would be fully paid, but a larger portion would go into escrow. At the end of the year, the player would be entitled to a smaller percentage of the escrow account, thus a real salary reduction and an immediate cut to 50/50 that the league is looking for.
I feel the NHLPA offer #3 was very much a negotiated derivative of the the NHL offer, and a reasonable counter offer. Obviously it had flaws as well (total elimination of escrow), but in my opinion not an offensive offer. The NHL just decided that their offer was not to be negotiated.
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