Thread: The Official CBA Negotiations/Lockout Super Thread

Originally Posted by Bollocks

It indeed is a rollback and the players should just suck it up and start playing already. They are getting MUCH more than when the CBA was signed AND they can basically stop playing and still get the millions.

This is basically the only chance the owners can give players pay cuts. Since the last CBA was flawed because no one could predict what would happen, they need to fix it. Balance things out. And the players need to live with it. My mother had her pay cut twice already by the government, but she's happy she still has a job AND a solid pay in these times. She isn't happy but she definitely prefers working over bitching.



Maybe that was the NHL's "Last offer"...maybe this is what they are prepared to accept and nothing else (it seems like it to me). THEY are the ones running the league and THEY are the ones able to lock out the season. I'm sure this gives them the advantage to have the "last offer". And it's completely reasonable.

The players are getting paid more because the league is doing better. I'm not sure why you are holding that against the players.

An owner can cut a player's pay any time they (or the GM on their behalf) negotiate a contract with a player. If they don't want to be locked into a long contract with a player, don't sign a long contract. You may lose the player, but that is the market. What the league is effective asking to do is to not honor every contract which still has time left on it. I feel that is rather extreme.

You seem to be under the impression that the league has the power to force players to play for whatever salary the league deems fair, and the players have no other realistic option as to where to play, so they should just take it. The players meanwhile seem to collectively feel they have a very valuable skill set which is in (no small) part is due to continued growth and popularity of the sport. A skill set which, while there aren't many other employment options, is very hard, if not impossible, to replace.

The league absolutely has the power to make this their final offer. Your assertion if this is reasonable I think depends on if they are content in not having a product to sell. They apparently are. I don't think that is reasonable in the slightest.

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the league is doing better total revenue wise. the league is not doing better profit wise. are we back to this again?

Originally Posted by nosoupforyou

the league is doing better total revenue wise. the league is not doing better profit wise. are we back to this again?

The players don't get it, how should it be expected that the pro PA people get it?

There's a poster on the HF Boards, who apparently is good with numbers, who says that the latest NHL proposal, since taken off the table, could have been better for the players than the PA's 3rd proposal.

This whole thing has reached the heights of absurdity.

Originally Posted by aragorn

Nope. The Fehr said no to all the other stipulations also, so no signing regardless.

i don't know what stipulations you are talking about. the nhl has never negotiated on the details of the nhlpa's proposal, so again, i don't know what stipulations you are talking about. on the other hand, the nhlpa continues to provide counter proposals that incorporate some of the nhl's ideas, but are largely unique offers, which at this point is not enough to get a deal done. at some point one side or another is going to have to agree to negotiate on the other's proposal. i come down on the side of the PA here, because they have already made a number of important concessions and they have also showed a willingness to try to achieve what the owners want while still providing the players with what they want. the nhl hasnt made any concessions.

Originally Posted by D0wntime

i don't know what stipulations you are talking about. the nhl has never negotiated on the details of the nhlpa's proposal, so again, i don't know what stipulations you are talking about. on the other hand, the nhlpa continues to provide counter proposals that incorporate some of the nhl's ideas, but are largely unique offers, which at this point is not enough to get a deal done. at some point one side or another is going to have to agree to negotiate on the other's proposal. i come down on the side of the PA here, because they have already made a number of important concessions and they have also showed a willingness to try to achieve what the owners want while still providing the players with what they want. the nhl hasnt made any concessions.

From what I've read, every PA proposal includes de-linking salaries to revenue and, especially at this stage, no way does the NHL ever agree to that.

I'm gonna come out and say it that I'm not pro NHLPA in these negotiations. Yes, I'm biased.

Here's how I see it:

Players gave up a lot in monetary concessions the last CBA with implementation of a salary cap and what not.
Players’ salaries despite the imposed cap and floor have risen since 2004-05 and now account for 57% of HRR.
Players are making more money - Owners appear to be making less money. Blame whoever.
Players are the product; owners provide the conduit that delivers that product. Fans pay for the product.
Current CBA has expired, moving forward revenue pie needs to address needs of both.

NHLPA wants to preserve existing contracts with revenue splits similar to existing and cuts based on growth that may not be sustained.
Owners want immediate realignment to 50/50 split and further monetary concessions.
Owners proposed make whole concessions to existing contracts to be taken out of players’ future share of 50/50 split in HRR over the new CBA.
Is it Fehr? Maybe not. But I sure don't care for that SOB.

This is a train wreck. I'm sure I'm oversimplifying and there are inaccuracies in my view but still... that's my perception.


Recently I've watched more football games than I care for, without giving a damn for the outcome. Lakers season started tonight and I haven't followed basketball in at least 8 years but I watched it. Unlike previous NHL work stoppages this one is fixing to make me care less about the game moving forward regardless of the outcome of these negotiations or lack thereof.


This is a sad state of affairs, a **** show. And as much as players have made out like bandits since the last CBA, owners shouldn't be absolved from their actions, GM miscalculations, territorial advantages, or for a lack of better word...stupidity.

I want see both sides on the table 7 days a week compromising daily. HRR redefined to include expansion or re-allocation fees, make whole plans to existing contracts tied to actual revenue growth split 50/50 as opposed to projections that may not materialize. If need be phase in the split to 50/50 over the length of the new CBA.

If it all fails, as much as fans are invested in the outcome, it's the individual player, not the NHLPA that will pay the most.

that's how I'm feeling after 45+ days of this lockout. I'm tired of hearing the rhetoric from both sides....it's absolutely amazing how none of these people can come up with a plan that works! I used to be on the players side but now I just don't care anymore which is the message being sent by the NHL and NHLPA to all the fans!!
Good people are losing their jobs......so priveleged people can have larger bank accounts!!!! That's ludicrous..............

Get out of here with that logic.