Thread: The Official CBA Negotiations/Lockout Super Thread

Originally Posted by D0wntime

NHL's proposal asks the players to continue to sacrifice current and future gains while the owners sacrifice not a damn thing.

Asks the players to continue to sacrifice? When I see players like Phil Kessel that got a 400% raise followed by a 33% raise I have a hard time seeing the sacrifice there. And this is since the 04-05 season lockout.

Now I assume you would think he is the exception, guess what he is the norm. Go and check and you will see.

If I had a boss that would give me, in a span of 7 years, a 400% raise and then some, feed me like a king, fly me around beyond first class, 5 star hotels to stay, best doctors, nutritionist I would most likely get on my knees and you know the rest.

Sacrifice my ass!

Originally Posted by bigfan3

Asks the players to continue to sacrifice? When I see players like Phil Kessel that got a 400% raise followed by a 33% raise I have a hard time seeing the sacrifice there. And this is since the 04-05 season lockout.

Now I assume you would think he is the exception, guess what he is the norm. Go and check and you will see.

If I had a boss that would give me, in a span of 7 years, a 400% raise and then some, feed me like a king, fly me around beyond first class, 5 star hotels to stay, best doctors, nutritionist I would most likely get on my knees and you know the rest.

Sacrifice my ass!

and you could argue that he was underpaid with his first contract. the reason kessel and a large number of nhl players got such huge raises with their second contracts is because there were so many restrictions on entry level contracts. this is why the nhl is demanding that entry level contracts be only two years and that contract lengths be capped at 5 years, so that you have incremental raises. if coming out of college i was offered a contract with a short term cap that was below my worth and it was the same across the board within the industry, i would expect to get a huge raise after my probationary period.

When the nhl demands that players limit the entry level deal as a way of controlling the rise in salary costs, extend restricted free agency to 28 (their earlier demand was even longer, which would have effectively eliminated free agency for a large portion of nhl players), lower the percentage of overall league revenues that they are entitled to by changing the definition of HRR, and take an immediate reduction in the amount of money that they are contractually entitled to and that they might one day get back but only at the expense of future earnings for themselves and everyone else, yeah, the players are making all of the sacrifices.

pointing out that nhl teams are operating at a loss under the previous cba is a red herring. it has absolutely no bearing on the future cba. there is a deal that could be made that would provide the players with their current salaries and that would incrementally lower the percentage of hrr that players get to 50% over the next few years and that could still ensure that over the long run teams would be able, if run effectively and efficiently, to turn a profit or be revenue neutral. So, no the owners aren't sacrificing anything in their proposals.

one of the many things getting lost in this discussion is that the owners are demanding that the players bail them out for their poor managerial decisions. Some teams have no business being in the markets in which they operate. Others, like Columbus, are just horrifically managed. The owners could make choices that would alleviate these burdens in ways that would not lessen the players' stake in the league. But they will not do those things. They are single-minded in their desire to make the players pay for the owners' mistakes.

I am reading about how the players have sacrificed a lot by playing this sport. What have they actually sacrificed? Did they not choose this profession or was someone making them play this game. I see the parents or siblings making the sacrifice but not the actual players.

Originally Posted by bigfan3

Asks the players to continue to sacrifice? When I see players like Phil Kessel that got a 400% raise followed by a 33% raise I have a hard time seeing the sacrifice there. And this is since the 04-05 season lockout.

Now I assume you would think he is the exception, guess what he is the norm. Go and check and you will see.

If I had a boss that would give me, in a span of 7 years, a 400% raise and then some, feed me like a king, fly me around beyond first class, 5 star hotels to stay, best doctors, nutritionist I would most likely get on my knees and you know the rest.

Sacrifice my ass!

Why don't you ask Sidney Crosby, Chris Pronger, Mike Richards, Claude Giroux, David Perron or the 80+ other players that suffered concussions/concussion related symptoms last season about the sacrifices they make on the nightly basis?

Concussion numbers were staggering in NHL's 2011-12 | Hockey | CBC Sports

When the regular season concludes on Saturday, almost 90 players and 1,700 man games will be lost to head injuries or concussion-related symptoms.

How much salary was Adam Deadmarsh's long-term health worth? You remember him, right? He was the guy that had to retire from hockey in 2005 after suffering just two diagnosed concussions*. Then he had to retire from coaching because the effects of those concussions still hadn't gone away nearly 10 years later.

Concussion woes haven't ended for Adam Deadmarsh - Mile High Hockey

* Concussions end career for Adam Deadmarsh

I see some wordy, irrelevant arguments being made.

Wastes of time.

Originally Posted by bigfan3

Asks the players to continue to sacrifice? When I see players like Phil Kessel that got a 400% raise followed by a 33% raise I have a hard time seeing the sacrifice there. And this is since the 04-05 season lockout.

Now I assume you would think he is the exception, guess what he is the norm. Go and check and you will see.

If I had a boss that would give me, in a span of 7 years, a 400% raise and then some, feed me like a king, fly me around beyond first class, 5 star hotels to stay, best doctors, nutritionist I would most likely get on my knees and you know the rest.

Sacrifice my ass!

One could argue that the doctors you speak of may not be the best, but supplied the best bid. Regardless...

The contracts you speak of were given by the owners...the same jackasses that now want to be saved from themselves. All of the provisions in their "negotiations" have been clearly in their favor. They are giving up very little, if anything.

Nobody is telling these owners to give out massive contracts. They are doing it on their own, then they come back and want the LEAGUE to renegotiate? Stop.

The players are taken care of. They get what they earn. Simple stuff. The owners could have allowed the season to go on while negotiating. It is the players that are sacrificing their negotiated pay due to the owners not being able to control themselves.

Originally Posted by Ice24

I am reading about how the players have sacrificed a lot by playing this sport. What have they actually sacrificed? Did they not choose this profession or was someone making them play this game. I see the parents or siblings making the sacrifice but not the actual players.

And the owner CHOSE to pay them that much. OK? Now we know that it was all consensual, can we drop the puck? Wait, the OWNERS want a better deal? OHHHHHHH....you made it sound like it was the players that wanted the better deal.

Finally it is over. This has been an agonizing two months.

so if 1/3rd of the league folds because the teams can't make a profit, what then? who wins?