Thread: The Official CBA Negotiations/Lockout Super Thread

Originally Posted by keyTOarson

I don't think the players can say the owners are giving them nothing.

"Among other things, the owners have proposed to 1) artificially inflate the salary cap in Year 1 so teams don’t have to trade or release players; 2) trade player salary and cap charges in trades (this is something both teams and players have wanted); 3) eliminate re-entry waivers; 4) Increase revenue sharing with further increases as revenues grow, and the top grossing teams making the biggest contributions (revenue sharing is something Don Fehr is passionate about; wants it so the teams that really need assistance are assisted); 5) Introduction of appeal rights to a neutral third-party arbitrator in cases involving on- and- off-ice discipline (player-proposed wish)."

In this, only #5 is geared towards players. The other 4 benefit the teams/owners just as much, if not more than the players. So there is very little "given" to the players.

" 1) Joint NHL/NHLPA Health and Safety Committee with equal representation by the league and union; 2) Establishment of a “standard of care” and “primary allegiance” obligations between the team medical staff and players (this is directly due to the tragic Derek Boogaard situation that remains ongoing); 3) Offseason rehab activities would no longer be required in the team’s home city; 4) Players have access to second medical opinions at the club expense; 5) Ice time restrictions and days off during training camp; 5) Improved facility standards in visiting locker rooms; 6) Ice condition improvements and standards; 7) More player friendly rules for parent-son trips, teams would have to pay for parents travel and lodging to first-ever games, other milestones; 8) Different standards for rent and mortgage reimbursements from teams; 9) increased access to tickets for visiting players and also a game ticket policy that minimizes the tax impact on players; 10) And also, the league has agreed to consider a player proposal for single rooms for all players on the road, which would be thousands of extra dollars spent on travel. Typically, players share rooms on the road unless you’re a longstanding player (600 games), or in a lot of cases, goaltenders. "

This bunch seems more geared towards the players, and the ONE concession which is only being "considered" (#10) IMO should be thrown out all together. 1 player per room is just plain spoiled and a waste of money. Other than that, what is being "given" to players is kinda minimal, but I think it's the best they are going to get and aside from [MAYBE, at worst] a few minor tweaks to the smaller concessions I don't see anything wrong with this deal. Although...I would like to know more about where the absorption of the "make good" clause is coming from EXACTLY. No smoke and mirrors...no shifty wording or math. If it's coming directly from the owners 50%...that thing should have been signed YESTERDAY!

Seems to me that the owners are again going to be the ones making out the most in this CBA, but this time the players look like they have won at least SOME concessions, which was far more than last time. I think both sides may be misguided on how fast and how big the NHL grew after the last lockout, and that it will continue in the same rate. If that growth rate continues I will be shocked. If THAT is what they are planning on, then the next CBA...we might be going through this AGAIN.

I REALLY wish there was a way to get a fan's board together and be in on these talks with those two since they are making a living off of us. Also I will once again mention that the two underlings are the ones doing the work while the rooster-suckers are not doing a damn thing other than posturing. If the owners AND NHLPA want to save some money fire those two and only pay the ones actually speaking to each other. And if and when they do meet...someone for the love of God...PLEASE put a lock and chain on the door till they finish it and the contract is signed by both sides.

I hope Bettman is there when the banner is raised at Staples, because we (as fans of the sport) have a LOT of booing to make up for, and we have to represent for fans of all of the other teams. I hope Fehr is there too. He deserves the same.

Hey, can someone make trading cards of Bettman and (Don) Fehr and place them in the urinals on opening night? (Whenever that will be)
If you do I promise I will drink a lot of beer!

Originally Posted by boy1der

Hey, can someone make trading cards of Bettman and (Don) Fehr and place them in the urinals on opening night? (Whenever that will be)
If you do I promise I will drink a lot of beer!

That's an idea I think everyone will support.

NHLPA Conference call in 10 minutes, I'm surprised the transcript hasn't been leaked yet.

Originally Posted by rinkrat

NHLPA Conference call in 10 minutes, I'm surprised the transcript hasn't been leaked yet.

The reason why they could not release the transcript is because it is hard to spell what they were saying.

I have been a fan since Robitaille and Carson's rookie season. This lockout is really getting annoying. It sure would be nice to have a another sport to watch instead of heraing about all the annoying drama going on with the Lakers.

I begenning to think we may not have a NHL season at all. After all the exictement of the Kings Stanley Cup run last season and all the fans they gained as they got deeper into the playoffs one would think the players and owners would want to come to an agreement. If it goes on long enough they may turn off more fans then the gained. Which would be a real shame.

Originally Posted by BRinLA

I have been a fan since Robitaille and Carson's rookie season. This lockout is really getting annoying. It sure would be nice to have a another sport to watch instead of heraing about all the annoying drama going on with the Lakers.

Where were you during the last lockout? This is FAR from as annoying as that one.

Originally Posted by BRinLA

After all the exictement of the Kings Stanley Cup run last season and all the fans they gained as they got deeper into the playoffs one would think the players and owners would want to come to an agreement. If it goes on long enough they may turn off more fans then the gained. Which would be a real shame.

As much as I agree with your sentiment (and especially the bit about the Lakers being a bunch of annoying drama queens), I think the notion that last season's playoffs resulted in any sort of significant gain of fans (either for the Kings or the league as a whole) is rather specious. I find it hard to believe that the Kings gained any substantial number of fans. Certainly a bunch of folks jumped on the bandwagon, but I doubt most of those folks would have been paying attention now anyway. Are there a few who would have been paying attention if the season had started on time and who are not now paying attention because of the lockout? Probably, but I don't think the number is very big (but, of course, I'm just speculating). As far as the lague as a whole, I don't think there was anything about last season's playoffs that was really any different than any other season's playoffs. On the other hand, I quite agree that, in a matter of 6-7 weeks, the league and the PA have pissed away a lot of goodwill that had been generated since the last lockout. It will be interesting to compare inflation adjusted numbers for the 2012-13 season (if there is one) to the numbers from the 2005-06 season. Obviously, the longer this drags on, the more irreparable damage will be done.

Originally Posted by NastiMarvasti

And still going. This could either be it, or they can't decide on pizza toppings.

Originally Posted by LOSTcauseZERO

No, no, no. They're deciding where to order take out from. They're a long way from agreeing on pizza.

I was just going to say... when in doubt, go with pepperoni. But yeah, knowing them... they're no where close to agreeing on a pizza, much less pizza toppings.