Thread: The Official CBA Negotiations/Lockout Super Thread

Originally Posted by santiclaws

Why the NHL needs to rid themselves of Gary Bettman - Grantland

I disagree with this as much as I disagree with the hatred toward Fehr. The fact of the matter is it is the owners and the players who are running this. Who are the media or the fans to say who the owners/players hire as their reps? It's the owners/players who know best who to have run things. Could they be bad decisions? Sure but that's not the fans problem.

I suggest the fans quit whining about things they know nothing about (owner/player reps) and concentrate where they have a real impact: Don't show up to games after play resumes. Simple. But NOOOOOOO...that's not what will happen. They'll continue to cry about Bettmen and Fehr and proceed to waste their money on game tix and player jerseys to celebrate the new hockey season like nothing happened......

jom

Originally Posted by jom

I disagree with this as much as I disagree with the hatred toward Fehr. The fact of the matter is it is the owners and the players who are running this. Who are the media or the fans to say who the owners/players hire as their reps? It's the owners/players who know best who to have run things. Could they be bad decisions? Sure but that's not the fans problem.

I suggest the fans quit whining about things they know nothing about (owner/player reps) and concentrate where they have a real impact: Don't show up to games after play resumes. Simple. But NOOOOOOO...that's not what will happen. They'll continue to cry about Bettmen and Fehr and proceed to waste their money on game tix and player jerseys to celebrate the new hockey season like nothing happened......

jom

Of course, that's because the masses have no concept about being committed to a cause. They are children and all that interests them is what brings them pleasure. All they know right now is that someone has taken away their candy. As soon as their lollipops are restored, they'll suck them back in their mouths and be as happy as little clams.

I remember Sidney Crosby saying something to the effect (or is it affect?) that it seems only one side is willing to talk. That side being the NHLPA, obviously. Doesn't buttheadman asking to take a 2 week break from talking pretty much prove Crosby's point?
Also, I'm curious to get the opinion of people here on who in the long term looses more. The NHL as a whole or the current players? I'm leaning towards the NHL, because I think they have and will loose sponsors. I think the NHL will also loose fans, but loosing sponsors is more of a financial hit in my opinion. My thinking is the current players will lose millions of dollars, but the NHL and it's owners will loose billions of dollars. Maybe I'm wrong, just a thought.

Originally Posted by LOSTcauseZERO

I remember Sidney Crosby saying something to the effect (or is it affect?) that it seems only one side is willing to talk. That side being the NHLPA, obviously. Doesn't buttheadman asking to take a 2 week break from talking pretty much prove Crosby's point?
Also, I'm curious to get the opinion of people here on who in the long term looses more. The NHL as a whole or the current players? I'm leaning towards the NHL, because I think they have and will loose sponsors. I think the NHL will also loose fans, but loosing sponsors is more of a financial hit in my opinion. My thinking is the current players will lose millions of dollars, but the NHL and it's owners will loose billions of dollars. Maybe I'm wrong, just a thought.

Possibly...talks are resuming on Monday it seems...the players called the meeting.

jom

Originally Posted by jom

I disagree with this as much as I disagree with the hatred toward Fehr. The fact of the matter is it is the owners and the players who are running this. Who are the media or the fans to say who the owners/players hire as their reps? It's the owners/players who know best who to have run things. Could they be bad decisions? Sure but that's not the fans problem.

It's the fans' problem if the bad decision result in no hockey.

Originally Posted by jom

I suggest the fans quit whining about things they know nothing about (owner/player reps) and concentrate where they have a real impact: Don't show up to games after play resumes. Simple. But NOOOOOOO...that's not what will happen. They'll continue to cry about Bettmen and Fehr and proceed to waste their money on game tix and player jerseys to celebrate the new hockey season like nothing happened......

jom

Well, I'm going to be one of those suckers. I'm not going to deny myself my favorite entertainment "to send a message." It is a business dispute between two parties which have nothing to do with me. It's not personal and it just isn't that important. I'll spend my money to entertain myself in other ways when my favorite entertainment is unavailable. When it becomes available again, I'll spend my money on it again. I'm not going to sit and pout because my favorite toy was taken away.

Originally Posted by LOSTcauseZERO

I remember Sidney Crosby saying something to the effect (or is it affect?) that it seems only one side is willing to talk. That side being the NHLPA, obviously. Doesn't buttheadman asking to take a 2 week break from talking pretty much prove Crosby's point?

Is there anything to talk about if both parties refuse to budge from their positions?

The NHL, after only getting essentially the same proposal five different times from the PA, was saying (it's my take that this was proposed in an off-the-cuff and informal way) if they have nothing else to offer than the same proposal again, what is there to talk about?

What do you think if we take a two week break (after which the players miss yet another check and after all December games have been canceled)?

It was then up to the PA to then respond to that.

It wasn't a unilateral demand.
It was a question.
The PA could say yes, let's take a two week break, or no, let's not take a two week break.

They responded, no, let's not take a two week break and the two sides have now agreed to meet on Monday.

This time, I hope the PA has something new to offer or maybe the NHL will demand some time off.

So you see, the NHL was still talking and asking, if you don't have anything new to offer, what do you think about a two week break?

Also, I'm curious to get the opinion of people here on who in the long term looses more. The NHL as a whole or the current players? I'm leaning towards the NHL, because I think they have and will loose sponsors. I think the NHL will also loose fans, but loosing sponsors is more of a financial hit in my opinion. My thinking is the current players will lose millions of dollars, but the NHL and it's owners will loose billions of dollars. Maybe I'm wrong, just a thought.

They're sharing revenue from sponsors as well.

The players clearly have more to "LOSE" as they have all been making money, and even with the NHL's first proposal, would have still been making a lot of money.

Only about 1/3rd of the teams were making money, the reason for the lockout.

So you see, there is greater incentive for the players to get a deal done and less incentive for the owners to get a deal done because ALL the players are losing money whereas only about 1/3 of the teams have been.

Black Ops 2 >> NHL Negotiations

I'm hoping something happens soon or I am afraid it might be awhile.

Originally Posted by rinkrat

Black Ops 2 >> NHL Negotiations

I'm hoping something happens soon or I am afraid it might be awhile.

I think the PA will continue to ask for de-linkage and the NHL gets up and walks out saying don't talk to us until you accept linkage.

The PA will then respond something like "See, the NHL doesn't want to talk!"

The NHL will never accept de-linkage unless it's some ridiculously low amount, and the PA would never propose some ridiculously low amount, so, de-linkage is not gonna happen.

I hope the NHL has made this point absolutely clear to the PA prior to agreeing to meeting.

Originally Posted by rinkrat

Black Ops 2 >> NHL Negotiations

I burned three hours this morning playing AC3 before I realized it was time for the UCLA/USC game. The lockout is an enormous waste of everyone's time and I am very tired of both sides. The thing I find the most annoying is when the players put their propaganda up on Twitter (I read it on my phone when I need a break from work). I'm pretty sure you guys are biased; shut up and get a deal done.