The Official CBA Negotiations/Lockout Super Thread

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Originally Posted by aragorn

It doesn't look like the players proposal to me.

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The players have basically asked for a hard cap that grows at a slower rate than revenues and that is less than what they would get under the current system. Even though the percentage increases, the real dollars change little growing from 1.91b to 2.1b. The major difference between the players and the owners proposals is that the players are focusing on a dollar amount so as not to give up salary this season. Instead they forgo income in future years assuming the league continues to grow at a rater higher than 4% in year two and 6 % in year three. The latest proposal also has safeguards in the event that revenues do not rise at the same rate or if it rises at a greater rate in the 4th and 5th years. the owners on the other hand are focusing on salary cap as a percentage of revenues that always stays constant and that requires an immediate salary roll back.

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Originally Posted by rinkrat

How about if we all hold our breath starting at 11:59. Is it tonight or tomorrow?

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Tomorrow. The lockout starts 9/16. To commemorate the day I will be watching my friend's 9 y.o. son play hockey against the Jr. Kings.

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Originally Posted by LOSTcauseZERO

That's why I'm saying the lockout is solely the owners' faults.

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It's not like the idea of escrow or a potential rollback in salary is a shock to the players. It's not a bait and switch situation or anything like that. Any player who has signed a contract between the end of the last lockout and today would have been well aware what happened in the past CBA negotiations and that it could happen again this time around. It's why a lot of guys had signing bonuses that can't be touched and are payable during a lockout written into their deals.

I'm thinking a Pentagram, sacrificed goat, at least one virgin, a bonfire, copious amounts of alcohol, 100 Slinkys, The Ark of the Covenant/Sivalinga Stones/Holy Grail/Crystal Skull, the Force, John McClane, Chuck Norris, Jack Bauer, Superman, Batman, Navy SEALS, and the Royal Canadian Mounties; could not save us from a lockout.

I don't get the candlelight vigil. The Kings haven't died, just looks like they are going to take an extended break unfortunately.

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Originally Posted by ILikeTheKings

The players are gonna get completely abused again. They have no leverage. Basically they are going to have to agree to terms that heavily favor the owners, but with any situation like this, if they just accepted the terms they'd look like complete idiots. The NHL will eventually give them an out of some kind to save face that union will agree to in a couple months and whatever we end up losing of the season (few months or the entire thing) will all have been done for that miniscule out the NHL ens up giving.

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Abused again? The last lockout was a must, the cap was a must. 57% is ridiculous when you are not paying or risking a red cent out of your own pocket.

They found the 43% offer from the owners ridiculous and yet that is exactly what the owners were getting until now. Call me crazy but if I invest and risk my own money the least I expect to get is the lion share of profits.

I would love to know how many of these owners became billionaires because of this league. I say NONE! they are the ones that keep the league going, they are the ones that truly understand whats needed to keep it going.

At this rate you think having or getting to a $200MM cap makes sense? for who? the players! but how?, simply guessing and doing some silly math that revenues will keep going up at the same rate? that is not very smart investment. That is stock market crazy talk. Would you put all your money in a stock simply because it has been doing so well, no research, no facts? That is how people loose their money, fortunes in the stock market. Once that happens, no more money to invest and in this case, bye bye league.

I know its hard for us fans but lets be real, if it wasn't for the owners willingness to risk most, part or all of their money into hockey we the fans and the players would have to go get a regular check with no union behind on something else.

Look around but just in case, making a million dollars in this economy is stellar, making $7MM and complaining is rather silly. Why dont they, the players, united as they are get together, put their money into their own league and keep 100% of the revenue? until, of course, one day these group will retire, they will be owners, they will have to "hire" players and the 100% revenue will not be any longer. Then they can sit exactly where these owners are. You think they will go for a 43% of the pie?

Happy Lockout Day everyone!!

I just read on NHL/Yahoo that no talks were scheduled today.So as AngryKing mentioned,Happy Lockout Day.

Awaken you Bastard Mother Bitches!!!!!

It is Happy Lock Out Day.

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Originally Posted by Rawley19

I'm thinking a Pentagram, sacrificed goat, at least one virgin, a bonfire, copious amounts of alcohol, 100 Slinkys, The Ark of the Covenant/Sivalinga Stones/Holy Grail/Crystal Skull, the Force, John McClane, Chuck Norris, Jack Bauer, Superman, Batman, Navy SEALS, and the Royal Canadian Mounties; could not save us from a lockout.

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Where in the hell would we find a virgin around here?

Wait... would it have to be male or female?