Thread: The Official CBA Negotiations/Lockout Super Thread

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Paul Kelly Firing Proves NHLPA Will Never Learn - NHL - NESN.com

Originally Posted by Bogey

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Paul Kelly Firing Proves NHLPA Will Never Learn - NHL - NESN.com

Nice read. Thanks, Bogey.

Nice to see the jocks shoot themselves in the foot. Now it's the owner's turn.

Originally Posted by D0wntime

why is a free market system beautiful and wonderful when businesses profit from it, but when workers do the system is broken?

why is an organized group of workers called a union but not an organized group of business owners?

for that matter, why do we support without question business entities coming together to form trade organizations, business associations, and chambers of commerce to protect their interests, but find the idea of workers joining forces to protect their interests abhorrent?

why is it that when owners seek to maximize profits they may be considered greedy but justifiably so, but when workers do the same they are illegitimately greedy?

Because we are not talking minimum wage, overtime nor any of those issues. We are talking about a goon making a $1 million per season without contributing any of his own money thanks to "the union".

This is a league and there are laws and rules that prevent owners and players alike to do things against the interest of the league itself. When you feel the need to change something the league has to do it as a league. The NHLPA is not a part of the league, legaly speaking, they are an important contributor but not a part. They are the employees, with their rights like any other employee in America. They get paid very handsomely and young players as well as average players have benefited incredibly thanks to the NHLPA.

Your question should be, why do we call greedy a person who invests, risks, starts and maintain a business instead of the employee who barely (for the most part) brings any extra value year after year yet demands outrageous salary rises year after year?

Originally Posted by LOSTcauseZERO

Two words; salary cap. And it wasn't the players who circumvented the cap.

First, not all owners are circumventing, not all owners are crazy, irresponsible or call it as you wish. However don't think for a minute that the NHL is doing this solely to screw with the players, they are doing it in part to protect themselves from THEMSELVES!! They know, among other things, if some keep on finding loopholes there won't be a league tomorrow.

Here's an article that roasts both the NHL and the NHLPA pretty well:

Complicit in the NHL's Demise: How the NHL and its players hate hockey, and how the fan is at fault | The Barnstormer

Originally Posted by santiclaws

Here's an article that roasts both the NHL and the NHLPA pretty well:

Complicit in the NHL's Demise: How the NHL and its players hate hockey, and how the fan is at fault | The Barnstormer

So many words that say so little.

Originally Posted by nosoupforyou

we don't. that's why there is such a thing called antitrust laws. and if you even think that business associations and chambers of commerce have anywhere near the pull of a union, you have massive blinders on.

there have been a lot of ridiculously funny things posted in this thread but this by far is the best. you sir or madam win.

Originally Posted by bigfan3

Because we are not talking minimum wage, overtime nor any of those issues. We are talking about a goon making a $1 million per season without contributing any of his own money thanks to "the union".

This is a league and there are laws and rules that prevent owners and players alike to do things against the interest of the league itself. When you feel the need to change something the league has to do it as a league. The NHLPA is not a part of the league, legaly speaking, they are an important contributor but not a part. They are the employees, with their rights like any other employee in America. They get paid very handsomely and young players as well as average players have benefited incredibly thanks to the NHLPA.

Your question should be, why do we call greedy a person who invests, risks, starts and maintain a business instead of the employee who barely (for the most part) brings any extra value year after year yet demands outrageous salary rises year after year?

wait. are you saying that the players should have no say in the rules or standards in the league? and that they should have no say in what they get paid? Are you saying that the only contribution that one can make to a league is a financial contribution? And since the players do not contribute anything monetarily (never mind the last time I checked I pay to go see the players play not to see Phil Anschutz face off against Jeremy Jacobs), then they do not get a say. And if they could have a say in it, it would only be OK if they got paid minimum wage?

The truth is that the players and owners are both important to the sport of hockey and the the NHL. I think it's obvious that both sides have their needs and legitimate and illegitimate demands. But what many of you seem to be defending is the dictatorship of the dollar. If you have it, those who would seek to work for it are at your mercy. That's not the world I live in, nor is it the world that I would ever want to live in.

Well, lol, let's look at another positive of the lockout, we will have to see less of Joe Thorton's horseface at Staples.

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