The Official CBA Negotiations/Lockout Super Thread

**orpheus** · September 17th, 2012, 01:18 PM

And I love all the damage control the NHL is trying to do. It's like trying to clean up after spilling nacho cheese on your date, lol!

**nosoupforyou** · September 17th, 2012, 01:34 PM

Originally Posted by D0wntime

there have been a lot of ridiculously funny things posted in this thread but this by far is the best. you sir or madam win.

have you ever lobbied for anything? specifically labor related in California?

**Ice24** · September 17th, 2012, 01:40 PM

I love when Gary Bettman says he is a fan too. Mr. Bettman you are not and never will be a fan of the game of hockey. Going 4-4 is awesome in baseball but in CBA work stoppages, way to work it through.

**KINGS17** · September 17th, 2012, 01:42 PM

Originally Posted by orpheus

And I love all the damage control the NHL is trying to do. It's like trying to clean up after spilling nacho cheese on your date, lol!

Depending on where you spill it, that could be considered a valid move.

Just like stopping short.

**JETS GARAGE** · September 17th, 2012, 02:12 PM

Is it possible that the work stoppages could have been avoided if Bettman had not over expanded the league and left it at about 24 - 26 teams? The perenial money losing clubs seem to be dragging the rest of the league down financially. At this point though, I guess contraction is not an option. To me it's like the lockout is the Commishioner's house of cards falling down. Am I way offsides?

**AllenA07** · September 17th, 2012, 02:16 PM

For those of you wanting a quick idea of the problems, Westie did a decent inteview with Rich Hammond. Worth a read.

Westgarth discusses lockout, negotiations « LA Kings Insider

As far as the teams that have been added to the NHL since 1990 I think some have them have been nothing short of a disaster. Below is a list of the teams added to the league since 1990 and their attendence rank from last year. I am including in this teams that have relocated during that time.

5. Ottawa
13. Tampa Bay
16. Minnesota
18. San Jose
20. Nashville
22. Carolina
25. Atlanta/Winnipeg
26. Anaheim
27. Columbus
28. Dallas
30. Phoenix

Overall 11 markets (35%) have recieved NHL teams since 1990. 7 of those teams rank in the bottom 10 in attendence. To me that is a sign that the league expanded much too quickly and into markets that were not ready for NHL teams. I'm not sure however how much contraction or relocation would help things. It's more of a deal where half these clubs should have never been added in the first place. I love the Kings but it still to this day confuses me where the idea that Southern California had enough hockey fans to warrant a second team came from.

**05/29/93** · September 17th, 2012, 02:35 PM

Originally Posted by Ice24

I love when Gary Bettman says he is a fan too. Mr. Bettman you are not and never will be a fan of the game of hockey. Going 4-4 is awesome in baseball but in CBA work stoppages, way to work it through.

The 4th work stoppage was a players strike (10 days) in 1992, which preceded Bettman's tenure. Regardless, your argument is still spot on.

**pg1067** · September 17th, 2012, 02:48 PM

Originally Posted by jammer06

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**Bogey** · September 17th, 2012, 03:01 PM

Originally Posted by Ice24

I love when Gary Bettman says he is a fan too. Mr. Bettman you are not and never will be a fan of the game of hockey. Going 4-4 is awesome in baseball but in CBA work stoppages, way to work it through.

I do enjoy NFL Hour with Roger Goodell, and NBA Hour with David Stern, and . . .

**pg1067** · September 17th, 2012, 03:14 PM

Originally Posted by AllenA07

As far as the teams that have been added to the NHL since 1990 I think some have them have been nothing short of a disaster. Below is a list of the teams added to the league since 1990 and their attendence rank from last year. I am including in this teams that have relocated during that time.

5. Ottawa
13. Tampa Bay
16. Minnesota
18. San Jose
20. Nashville
21. Florida
22. Carolina
23. Colorado
25. Atlanta/Winnipeg
26. Anaheim
27. Columbus
28. Dallas
30. Phoenix

Overall 13 markets (43.3%) have recieved NHL teams since 1990. 8 of those teams rank in the bottom 10 in attendence. To me that is a sign that the league expanded much too quickly and into markets that were not ready for NHL teams. I'm not sure however how much contraction or relocation would help things. It's more of a deal where half these clubs should have never been added in the first place. I love the Kings but it still to this day confuses me where the idea that Southern California had enough hockey fans to warrant a second team came from.

Fixed.

There's no question that the league overexpanded, but I think the more meaningful statistic is percentage of home capacity. For example, while Winnipeg ranked 25th in terms of average home attendance last season, its home attendance number was 100% of capacity. They filled the building (and probably would fill an even larger building), and that's what you want.

In terms of percentage of home capacity, 21 (significant number) of the 30 teams were above 96%. The other 9 were well below 90%:

22. New Jersey (87.4%)
23. Florida (86.6%)
24. Anaheim (86.4%)
25. Colorado (86.1%)
26. Carolina (85.9%)
27. NYI (81.3%)
28. Columbus (80.8%)
29. Dallas (76.8%)
30. Phoenix (72.5%)

Source: http://espn.go.com/nhl/attendance/_/sort/homePct

Keeping with Allen's point, only 2 of those 9 teams existed in their current markets before SJ came into the league in the 1991/92 season. Columbus? Carolina? Miami? Phoenix? Where's the logic in any of those? Miami doesn't even support baseball! What is perhaps most disheartening is that this list includes 6 of last 13 Stanley Cup winners (with NJ having won twice in that span). Contracting to 24 or 26 teams would make a HUGE amount of sense (which is probably why it will never happen).

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