Thread: Practice lines 2/9/13

Originally Posted by King'sPawn

The bigger reason why Murray got blamed is because he personified the team's lack of energy.

Plus, Sutter won a cup, so I don't see any rational fan turning on Sutter before looking at the players ever again. As far as I feel, he can do whatever he wants to the players and I'll believe there's a good reason.

Give it a few years.

Originally Posted by Dr. Naysay

While I'm no huge Murray supporter......... this season is kind of demonstrating what I was suggesting last season when there was talk of firing Murray....

The problems this Kings team routinely faces have less to do with coaching or scheme or system and far more to do with effort and focus and commitment from the players.

Now it may turn out that firing a coach is a really excellent way of galvanizing a team and making them bear down on the things they need to do to be successful... but that doesn't mean it's the old coaches fault they sucked and it doesn't mean the new coach is the sole reason they excelled.

The average life span of an NHL coach is under 4 seasons and ultimately their bag of tricks only runs so deep. There will come a day when we're all calling for the head of Coach Sutter and he probably won't deserve it any more or less than Terry Murray did.

This is spot on, and I was definitely in the camp of not feeling strongly about firing Murray, but seeing it more as a necessary evil due to the players than a fault of the man himself. It does concern me how often our top guys (namely Kopitar and Brown) fail to bring their A-game, and I thought maybe the run to the Cup might change that... but so far, not so good.

I do think Sutter's eventual coaching demise might be SLIGHTLY less deserved than Murray's, if for no other reason than the fact that he has at least shown that he can get the most of these guys and take them all the way. Anyone can "lose a locker room" and need to be replaced, but I think it is legitimate to question whether or not Murray's system could ever take a team all the way; the complete lack of creativity on offense coupled with the apparent ability to solve our defense in seven-game series against Vancouver and San Jose made me seriously doubt it.

Originally Posted by Dr. Naysay

While I'm no huge Murray supporter......... this season is kind of demonstrating what I was suggesting last season when there was talk of firing Murray....The problems this Kings team routinely faces have less to do with coaching or scheme or system and far more to do with effort and focus and commitment from the players.

Now it may turn out that firing a coach is a really excellent way of galvanizing a team and making them bear down on the things they need to do to be successful... but that doesn't mean it's the old coaches fault they sucked and it doesn't mean the new coach is the sole reason they excelled.

But that's similar reasoning when pulling a goalie... it's often not the goalies fault the team is sucking that night, but he's often the scapegoat to try something different to motivate the team. Sutter worked obviously, but if in a couple seasons he can't get the guys to get off their butts anymore then a new change will happen.

Originally Posted by Dr. Naysay

Originally Posted by King'sPawn

The bigger reason why Murray got blamed is because he personified the team's lack of energy.

Plus, Sutter won a cup, so I don't see any rational fan turning on Sutter before looking at the players ever again. As far as I feel, he can do whatever he wants to the players and I'll believe there's a good reason.

Give it a few years.

Yup. Chicago won the cup in 2010 under Quenneville and the talk before the season there was "Quenneville is on the hot seat."

Don't think that's the talk now. Recent results, not just results, determine everything.

Originally Posted by Romulus

Yup. Chicago won the cup in 2010 under Quenneville and the talk before the season there was "Quenneville is on the hot seat."

Don't think that's the talk now. Recent results, not just results, determine everything.

Right. Since 2008, the SC winning coaches are still with their teams. Deano and Sutter are bros....don't see these two breaking up any time soon.

Sutter has at least another 4 years.

Originally Posted by Dr. Naysay

While I'm no huge Murray supporter......... this season is kind of demonstrating what I was suggesting last season when there was talk of firing Murray....

The problems this Kings team routinely faces have less to do with coaching or scheme or system and far more to do with effort and focus and commitment from the players.

Now it may turn out that firing a coach is a really excellent way of galvanizing a team and making them bear down on the things they need to do to be successful... but that doesn't mean it's the old coaches fault they sucked and it doesn't mean the new coach is the sole reason they excelled.

The average life span of an NHL coach is under 4 seasons and ultimately their bag of tricks only runs so deep. There will come a day when we're all calling for the head of Coach Sutter and he probably won't deserve it any more or less than Terry Murray did.

Originally Posted by Broon

Right. Since 2008, the SC winning coaches are still with their teams. Deano and Sutter are bros....don't see these two breaking up any time soon.

Sutter has at least another 4 years.

Originally Posted by EshootzEscorez

Originally Posted by EshootzEscorez

Awesome, now give him a 3rd boob!

I would prefer King on the second line......but that being said, Go Cliffy !!