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    With all the talks about the new 28yr old assistant General Manager Kyle Dubas of the Toronto Maple Leafs (TML) (who was their stats advocate). Well I just like to know, who is the Kings stats advocate? (hopefully not a dumb question.)

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    Character and competitiveness are two areas that are pretty hard to quantify statistically and are the two most important characteristics that DL seems to favor. But as a puck possession team, I imagine they do look at those numbers. My guess it is not a single person in the organization responsible for that but more of a collective thing.

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    I'm not really sure if there's a specific guy devoted to the advanced stats like Dubas, but if i had to point a finger at who advocating for advanced stats with this team, i'd likely start with Lombardi. He's been a big proponent of possession for a while, and with everything i know about his love for spreadsheets and number crunching, i'd imagine it starts with him. With thats said, he may not necessarily be sitting their running numbers like you might imagine, but im sure he's big on guys that play the possession game well.
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    There's been several random reference to advanced stats throughout the lineup. As an organization I think it's safe to say they believe in this stuff and its permeated through the lineup. Remember all the talk about goals being generated from point shots? That was in reference to the in house advance stats stuff they run. Stevens, Payne and Sutter have all referenced various stats as well as Lombardi.

    I hate to say this but I'm pretty sure at some point you'll end up acknowledging the move in Toronto was a culture changing hire driven by TL, he hired Shanahan and you can bet your ass that getting the "hockey guys" to buy into the stats movements was one of his mandates. This is fast and exciting for the Toronto media, but other teams have made this investment years ago and are currently heading most of the Conference finals positions.
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    In the ESPN piece that covered the behind the scenes meetings among the Team USA brass, Lombardi was portrayed as the main proponent of advanced stats.

    In fact the article related that Dean was ridiculed by his colleagues for so thoroughly examining candidates for the team (I think OEL was the example). The rest of the assistant GMs and David Poile ignored Dean. How'd that work out for them?

    Sutter has referenced his knowledges of advanced stats before too. But like everything else about the club, they don't publicize their strategies or strengths.
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    It was Keith Yandle and Dean had a whole manifesto about how he NEEDED to be on Team USA. Everyone just laughed at him. The rest is history.

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    It's Lombardi in the lead for sure. He's been quoted as having read "Moneyball" and thinking how it applies to hockey. Identifying those things that help win, and are under valued by others. A guy like Justin Williams is the result. Consistently top of the league in possession. Game 7 heroics are just a happy bonus. That type of innovation and openness to ideas filters down. Everywhere from the team keeping it's own stats, to how they track and evaluate ahl prospects and draft picks. Smart people figure out that humans have bias, while numbers don't. And that numbers give limited context, but scouts will.
    For the record, DL isn't totally on board the stats bandwagon. The Quick contract goes counter to every statistical argument. Sometimes you pay the man because you can't do anything else. (see the OKC Thunder trade of Harden as counterpoint)

    If Lieweekly gets credit for anything, it's hiring good people. Everything I have heard about his hockey choices have been bad. (DL gets credit for holding him in check)
    Shanahan is starting to look like another of those smart hires. Having enough sense to get smart people with different views is a big step for Toronto. Signing the likes of Winnick and Booth for low cost is right up the stats playbook. I wish there were future odds for the firing of Carlyle and Nonis. I bet they get it before the trade deadline. Toronto only kept them around to tank this year to maximize draft position, and then take a huge run at Stamkos when he's a FA.
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    Some people thought when Foxy was bringing up advanced stats during the season it was to educate us Californians who know nothing about hockey. You would be surprised though how much of the hockey world, and especially Canadians either ignore or caca on the whole notion of advanced stats in hockey. It's getting harder to ignore though when the teams who believe in it the most keep winning the Cup or getting very far into the post season.

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    BTW the stats revolution in general is finally becoming a popular narrative for niche mainstream media as well. Just look at the preponderance of articles attempting to qualify individual ability in team sports like here

    How Good Is Andrew Luck? | FiveThirtyEight

    A LeBron James Guide to Advanced Stats and Efficiency | Bleacher Report

    Baseball has always been the leader in individual stats for a team sport but even there they are evolving the stats that get reported through the media constantly.

    Soccer/Futbol I'm sure has plenty of crazy stats based on some of the graphs I saw during the world cup.

    In general this is a collective media push of new content that's making most fans aware of these stats which also skews some of their importance. The fans are going to look for simplified stats that tell a simple picture (plus minus 50 years ago) of good or bad. The stats are helpful if they have numbers that are easy to identify an outlier as fantastic for the media. Team stats don't have to be so straightforward. In fact they can generate internal statistics that are only regarded toward game philosophy. This is where teams like Chicago and LA are most probably kicking arse. They've done a better job of quantifying statistically bad habits that they can resolve during the season to get back to a high level of play.
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    Dustin Brown is the Kings stats guy for sure.
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